史泰郎
2020-01-01
$蔚来(NIO)$
说句实在话,如果上海临港的地是给蔚来的,银行那100多个亿贷款也是给蔚来的,股价40我都会买,可惜连不懂技术不懂金融的ZF都不选择蔚来,作为一个平民真的是无能为力啊。只能投投机,不能价投。
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与新能源共沉浮
2020-01-01
与新能源共沉浮
再次,国家能源战略一方面需要继续推进电力化,减少石油依赖,另一方面,国内厂家大多玩的是骗补的套路,与产业发展背道而驰,这个时候就需要品牌与价格兼具的特斯拉来做一条大鲶鱼,让市场迭代升级。让更多的个人消费者接受电气化的现实,打开更多的市场。一个超级大的市场是不可能只有一个特斯拉的……不多说了,你之所以是个老百姓还是你只有这个素质
投机份子
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史泰郎
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问题是自家的鲶鱼不行
史泰郎
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像您这样自我矛盾不好,您说国内市场需要一条鲶鱼,让市场迭代升级,我非常同意,您自己也把蔚来划到需要被鲶鱼激活的死鱼里去了。否则,外国的鲶鱼哪有自家的鲶鱼好。逻辑不是很正常啊小朋友。
与新能源共沉浮
2020-01-01
与新能源共沉浮
小朋友,我只能说为什么你只能炒股挣点稀饭钱是因为你只有这个觉悟。国家层面的事儿你的素质看都看不懂:为什么是特斯拉?首先是一家美国公司。在中美贸易战的时候拉拢美国最具活力的品牌在中国做最大的投资,恰恰表明中国还是适合投资的;其次,中国的建造速度也能印证虽然中国人力成本高企,但也恰恰是中国效率社会超高的体现,能够在人力需求不再大的工业4.0依然展现投资价值;
狮子的未来
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全文用“素质”不合适,建议改为“眼界”或“视野”。
canonwu
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正解
史泰郎
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嗯,看您ID是个成熟人。
欢乐马_2936
2020-01-01
欢乐马_2936
逻辑挺混乱的
Jason咯
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史泰郎
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是啊,苹果一边走高端一边靠富士康代工,真是可笑
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欢乐马_2936
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蔚来拿不到牌照吗?据我了解牌照是给了绿灯的,并没有为难蔚来啊。而且都已经在筹资建厂了,可惜融不到钱,连维持日常开支都捉襟见肘,更别说新建工厂了。
欢乐马_2936
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史泰郎
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难以置信你是汽车从业人员,中国的汽车制造牌照制决定了新厂商只能通过“代工”模式来新建产能。爬坡这个过程我理解蔚来在实验车型及建厂初期都经历过了,蔚来也不是神仙。代工模式资金压力小一点。中国大地的商业模式本来就是很神奇的。你作为汽车从业人员,宝马前员工,要提出更深刻的质疑来,而不是质疑蔚来拿不到特斯拉的工业地和牌照。
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Kavin
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我之前在宝马工作过,所以知道一些量产的痛苦。比如宝马的铁西工厂,投资了十亿欧元,中途还经历了喷涂车间施工火灾,所以建厂超支了。之后从一天产一台车,慢慢爬坡到一天十台,二十台,上百台。越到后期进步越是缓慢。不论是资金成本还是时间成本都非常高。然后才能把质量和产量都提高到高端这个水平。当有新车型投产的时候,这种轮回又要来一次。江淮的财报如果并入蔚来,我不知道还能不能好看。个人意见,勿怪。
Kavin
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史泰郎
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没有先例,难得别人就不能来个先先列吗?
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一条有理想的咸鱼
2020-01-01
一条有理想的咸鱼
这什么逻辑。。。ZF怎么就不懂技术和金融了。退一步说,哪怕ZF真不懂,那ZF不选择蔚来不正好证明它可能看错了吗?
再说了这都是几个月前的事了,股价该跌都跌了,拿个旧闻炒股怕不是永远都赶不上涨跌
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上行
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这次华尔街在财报会议上主要的提问就是下一笔融资,可惜未得到明确答复,否则昨天的股价一定又是一波猛涨。这个的确是核心问题。
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ZF不投、机构不投,实在是因为蔚来钱烧得太狠了,简直就是无底洞,不投是为了倒逼蔚来做组织结构优化、人员优化、运营优化,从而提高效率、降低成本、减少亏损,目前来看蔚来的优化已见效,亏损额比预期,销量也上去了,相信下一比融资不远了
史泰郎
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华尔街买账的标准,我的理解哈,价格至少回到IPO的时候。
史泰郎
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ZF不投,也许是政府错了。但是当时那么多机构也没投啊,即使三季报出来了,华尔街也没买账啊。可能大家都不懂吧,敬佩那些坚持的人。看时间给结果吧。
狮子的未来
2020-01-01
狮子的未来
1999年有个叫马云的人,在北京碰了壁,在上海折了戟,默默回到杭州。从此杭州有了全球最大的电商公司阿里巴巴,而北京只有京东,上海只有拼多多。希望与众不同的蔚来懂中国,深耕中国,20年后一举崛起,浙江欢迎你!让崇洋的上海再后悔一次。
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史泰郎
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谷歌确实是信息原因,亚马逊是自己不行,被打败的。
史泰郎
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我就是杭州人,阿里应该感谢国家把谷X,亚马X什么的都挡在了国外,很多互联网企业都应该感谢国家留了一方市场。不过这次的电动车市场么。。。国家的态度也很明确。。。大家见仁见智吧。
铁子001
2020-01-01
铁子001
上海当年,还看不上阿里巴巴呢,虽然比喻不是很恰当,但是看长期发展,其实也是一种赌博
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史泰郎
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国家并没有把ebay挡在外面,是老外自己不行。亚马逊也有中文网站,只是竞争力弱而已。
史泰郎
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的确是,当时做电商的有很多,同时在竞争。幸好当时国家把谷X,亚马X挡在外面,为自己的企业提供了土壤。但是这次。。。你懂的。。。可能被骗补的企业伤了心吧。大环境和背后支撑不可相提并论了。时势造英雄啊。
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再说了这都是几个月前的事了,股价该跌都跌了,拿个旧闻炒股怕不是永远都赶不上涨跌