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APT9man
09-22
这篇文章不错,转发给大家看看
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$英特尔(INTC)$
这架势,老黄可以一周回本啊
APT9man
09-19
10年后的股价都算出来了!华尔街就是能整活
贝尔德:上调特斯拉评级至“跑赢大盘” 股价有望翻数倍
APT9man
09-18
$英特尔(INTC)$
这架势,老黄可以一周回本啊
APT9man
09-16
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
本轮的高点应该就是15号盘前的429了,后续看看会不会回调到360左右。
APT9man
09-15
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
老马拿真金白银拉股价,这是破天荒第一次嘛
APT9man
07-30
连“既有 SUV 的霸气”都吹出来了,肉麻吗
32.18 万起!理想 i8 正面“硬刚”特斯拉 Model X
APT9man
07-24
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
美版卖碳翁的故事,特斯拉卖碳的财路被懂王断了[流泪]
APT9man
06-14
这厮不就是收钱办事嘛。图片明显是老款Y,空间比新款短了6cm,国内的7座Y出来肯定会是model YL,空间进一步加大。
知名车评人“陈震同学”体验7座特斯拉Model Y
APT9man
04-04
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
巴老笑翻,遍地捡钱
APT9man
04-01
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
摆明了现在发布各种负面消息打压。等更新款接上力,robotaxi一出来,又是一波操作。
APT9man
03-31
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
巴菲特老爷子这几日应该开启了疯狂买货模式。闭眼买
APT9man
03-24
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
前期放了那么多打压的消息捞筹码。可惜特粉太多,价格很难跌破200。
APT9man
03-24
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
四百多的T不去空他,跌倒240左右还去空?别这么和自己过不去。洗个冷水脸。
APT9man
03-13
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
二次探底,大概率不会突破上次的210底价,在225-235左右吧
APT9man
03-11
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
盘后212接盘的同志们请举个爪。
APT9man
03-11
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
五折优惠,可以入场了
APT9man
03-03
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
老马一张嘴又把股价拉上来,连饼都不用画了
APT9man
02-28
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
直逼246这个关口了
APT9man
02-12
法拉米上市对特斯拉销量的冲击影响拭目以待。所谓的出租车和机器人项目,现在完全处于画饼阶段,预期值已经算进了当前的股价。
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APT9man
2024-11-15
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
大概率会回到260-280的区间了
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src=\"https://inews.gtimg.com/om_bt/OUbX2mgwf4BsdBefQUjrBhwXPm_Syfhjq2eujVNe5azQoAA/0\"/><p>李想需要再次验证自己的“爆款法则”。</p><p>作者|周永亮</p><p><strong>编辑|靖宇</strong></p><p><a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/LI\">理想汽车</a>“再战”纯电市场。</p><p>2025 年 7 月 29 日,一个对于<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/02015\">理想汽车</a>至关重要的夜晚。不同于以往 45 分钟的发布会,创始人李想和高管团队花了近两个小时,详细解读了旗下首款纯电 SUV——理想 i8。新车共分三个版本,<strong>Pro 版售价 32.18 万元,Max 版 34.98 万元,Ultra 版 36.98 万元</strong>。</p><p>理想 i8 定位为三排六座家用纯电 SUV,风格上像<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a> Model X 的旅行版,特别优化了第三排座椅空间,适合家庭使用。它基于 800V 高压平台,搭载 90.1kWh 或 97.8kWh 电池,CLTC 续航分别为 670km 和 720km,百公里能耗为 14.8kWh。</p><p>理想汽车在增程式领域已经是“优等生”,但在纯电领域,之前推出的 MEGA 车型遇到了些波折。理想 i8 是他们调整策略后,重回纯电市场的关键一步。</p><p>理想 i8 是一款原本 2024 年就该上市的车,经过一年的调整,它的具体表现怎么样呢?能否成为理想新的支撑点?</p><p><strong>01</strong></p><p><strong>外观不再激进,开始寻求平衡</strong></p><p>如果说造车就像一场接一场的考试,那么理想汽车在 2024 年经历了一次意想不到的“挫折”——在纯电这门新科目上,他们交出的第一份答卷并不理想。</p><p>最初,理想的计划非常宏大:在 2024 年一口气推出四款纯电车型。除了已经上市的 MPV 车型理想 MEGA,还有三款纯电 SUV,i8 就是其中之一。</p><p>然而,去年 3 月,MEGA 独特的“火车头”造型引发了巨大争议造型,市场反响远未达到预期,最低时一个月只卖出四五百辆。这次彻底打乱了理想的发布节奏,迫使他们踩下急刹车。</p><p>直到一年后,理想 i8 才姗姗来迟。</p><img src=\"https://inews.gtimg.com/om_bt/OfWY07HjUTar_5GhbFJ_LvaeJzsJ2tsYmpw_GDsPKdNJsAA/0\"/><p>外观上,理想 i8 前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的元素,尾部则融入了 L9 的风格|图片来源:理想汽车</p><p>在这一年里,理想 i8 到底做了哪些改变?</p><p><strong>第一个,也是最核心的改变,是造型</strong>。按照原计划,理想 i8 和 MEGA 采用相似的设计语言,但上市后市场的反馈很直接:过于前卫的设计,用户不买账。</p><p>所以,理想汽车“痛定思痛”,果断对尚未发布的 i 系列进行了大刀阔斧的修改。于是,我们今天看到的 i8,成了一个非常巧妙的“折中”方案:前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的设计元素,保留了纯电家族的科技感和辨识度;尾部则融入了更受市场欢迎的 L9 车型的风格,显得稳重而有力量。</p><p>整体来看,理想 i8 介于 MEGA 的圆润和 L 系列的力量感之间,最终呈现出一款既有 SUV 的霸气,又兼具 MPV 实用性的车型,希望在争议中找到了平衡点。</p><p>如果说外观是“变”,那么对内部空间的极致追求,就是理想始终不变的“根”。</p><img src=\"https://inews.gtimg.com/om_bt/OsNPRM5SJlEypHZaqPqVyOybv_xV9jrkzdAj8Uh40cvw4AA/0\"/><p>理想 i8 通过短前悬的设计,打造出了更大的内部空间|图片来源:理想汽车</p><p>理想汽车一直信奉“以大为美”,而 i8 将也传承了这一特色。作为三排座 SUV,极其注重第三排乘客的舒适度,它在市场竞争中的一大“杀手锏”。</p><p>它是如何做到的呢?</p><p>理想 i8 通过采用短前悬、压低车头的设计,你可以想象成把前轮尽量往前推,车头做得更紧凑,为车内腾出了惊人的空间。这样做的好处是,第三排不再是“小板凳”:乘客的头部、腿部空间都非常宽裕;同时,第三排座椅甚至支持向后大角度倾斜 35°,几乎可以“半躺”。</p><p>除了设计和空间,充电速度是 i8 的另一个核心卖点。通过理想自研的 5C 超充桩实测,<strong>i8 仅需 10 分钟就能补充 500 公里的续航</strong>。</p><p>不过,一个有趣的事实是,如果 i8 在一年前发布,这个速度绝对是“遥遥领先”。但在技术飞速发展的今天,其他品牌也追了上来。那么,理想的优势在哪?</p><p>答案是,超充站的数量。<strong>截至 2025 年 6 月,理想的 5C 超充站数量已达到 3000 座</strong>,甚至超过了特斯拉在中国的充电站总量。并且,这个数字在年底计划将达到 4000 座。</p><p><strong>02</strong></p><p><strong>不做老司机,要做“专车司机”</strong></p><p>作为一款智能电动车,辅助驾驶是不得不提的一点。理想 i8 首发搭载了一套全新的智能驾驶系统——VLA。这个系统,也是理想 i8 的核心卖点。</p><p>你可能听过很多车企宣传自家的智驾像“老司机”。但理想认为,这还不够。VLA 的定位是“专车司机”、“私人司机”。</p><p>这二者有什么区别?老司机关注的是“我怎么把车开好”,核心是驾驶者本身;专车司机关注的是“怎么让乘客坐得舒服、安心”,核心是乘坐者。</p><img src=\"https://inews.gtimg.com/om_bt/OMDmiPbJX2MNgXqWITJR3frUQARPjGgmVfsb356ud4klcAA/0\"/><p>搭载在理想 i8 上的 VLA 模型,给理想 i8 带来更强的舒适性|图片来源:理想汽车</p><p>上周极客公园体验了搭载 VLA 的理想 i8,这也是它的第一个版本,最直观的感受就是“舒服”:比如在通过减速带之前,系统会像经验丰富的司机一样,提前预判并轻轻松开“油门”,让车辆平稳滑过,而不是猛地颠一下;在并线时,它会平滑地加速融入车流,绝不会突然往前“窜”,让乘客措手不及。</p><p><strong>更酷的是,你可以用语言来控车</strong>。对 i8 说“靠边停车”,它就会在右侧寻找合适位置停稳;说“前进 20 米”,它就能精准执行;它甚至能记住你的驾驶偏好,比如在某条路上你习惯开 50 公里/小时,它就会记住并在下次经过时主动执行。</p><p>要实现这种“专车司机”般的体验,以及语言控车能力,背后是智能驾驶技术路线的一次巨大变革:<strong>从模仿人类的“端到端(End-to-End)”模型,进化到了能够推理和学习的 VLA(Visual-Language-Action)架构</strong>。</p><p>这是什么意思呢?理想汽车自动驾驶研发高级副总裁郎咸朋博士用了一个非常生动的比喻:过去(端到端)像“猴子开车”。你让一只猴子看 1000 万段人类开车的视频,它能学会模仿人的动作——在什么情况下打方向盘,什么时候踩刹车。但它完全不理解为什么要这么做。它只是在“应激反应”。</p><p>现在(VLA)则像“人类司机开车”。它不仅学习如何开,更通过学习,理解了交通规则、物理世界和因果关系。它能推理和思考,知道为什么要这么开,甚至能向你解释它的决策。</p><p>这二者的分水岭,就在于 VLA 引入了“语言智能(Language)”这个关键层。它会将复杂的视觉信息,在“大脑”里(由算力高达 700TOPS 的<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">英伟达</a>芯片驱动)转化成一种可被理解和推理的“语言”。这也让 VLA 的决策过程,更像我们人类的大脑。</p><p><strong>03</strong></p><p><strong>两条腿走路</strong></p><p>在科技和商业的赛场上,没有永远的“常胜将军”。一家公司真正的强大,不在于它从不犯错,而在于它面对错误时的态度和纠错的能力。</p><p>去年 3 月,MEGA 上市受挫后,理想汽车董事长李想承认,他们犯下的最大错误,就是“错误地把理想 MEGA 的从 0 到 1 阶段,当成了从 1 到 10 阶段进行经营”。他们以为凭借 L 系列的成功光环,一款全新设计、全新定位的纯电车也能立刻引爆市场,但现实给了他们沉重一击。</p><p>这个“战略误判”,直接导致了后续纯电 SUV 的发布被推迟。理想汽车需要时间,让 MEGA 和高压纯电技术,重新走一遍从 0 到 1 的验证之路。</p><p>幸运的是,经过一年的努力,通过更聚焦家庭用户的沟通和体验活动,理想 MEGA 的口碑和销量已经开始反转,<strong>月销量从最低谷的几百辆,回升到了 2000 辆的水平</strong>。这虽然不算大获全胜,但已经为纯电车型 i8 和 i6,开了一个好头,证明了其纯电技术路线的可行性。</p><p>理想汽车的未来战略已经非常清晰。在增程这个“优势科目”上,它已经做到了顶尖,但增速不可避免地开始放缓,上半年销量增速仅为 7.9%,低于竞争对手。单一的增长引擎,已经不足以支撑它的长远发展。</p><p>因此,在纯电这个“新科目”上取得成功,对理想来说不是“选择题”,而是“必答题”。它的战术是双管齐下:在产品上,用 i8、i6 等回归主流家庭用户需求的纯电 SUV,去攻占市场最大的蛋糕;在生态上,用 VLA 这样的智能“软实力”和遍布全国的 5C 超充网络这样的“硬实力”,来打更舒适的用户体验。</p><p>不过,未来的挑战依然巨大,纯电市场的竞争比增程激烈百倍。理想汽车能否将“纠错”的勇气,转化为“二次创业”的胜势,将是未来一两年最大的看点。</p><p>*头图来源:理想汽车</p><p>本文为极客公园原创文章,转载请联系极客君微信 geekparkGO</p></article></body></html>","source":"tencent","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>32.18 万起!理想 i8 正面“硬刚”特斯拉 Model X</title>\n<style 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i8 才姗姗来迟。外观上,理想 i8 前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的元素,尾部则融入了 L9 的风格|图片来源:理想汽车在这一年里,理想 i8 到底做了哪些改变?第一个,也是最核心的改变,是造型。按照原计划,理想 i8 和 MEGA 采用相似的设计语言,但上市后市场的反馈很直接:过于前卫的设计,用户不买账。所以,理想汽车“痛定思痛”,果断对尚未发布的 i 系列进行了大刀阔斧的修改。于是,我们今天看到的 i8,成了一个非常巧妙的“折中”方案:前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的设计元素,保留了纯电家族的科技感和辨识度;尾部则融入了更受市场欢迎的 L9 车型的风格,显得稳重而有力量。整体来看,理想 i8 介于 MEGA 的圆润和 L 系列的力量感之间,最终呈现出一款既有 SUV 的霸气,又兼具 MPV 实用性的车型,希望在争议中找到了平衡点。如果说外观是“变”,那么对内部空间的极致追求,就是理想始终不变的“根”。理想 i8 通过短前悬的设计,打造出了更大的内部空间|图片来源:理想汽车理想汽车一直信奉“以大为美”,而 i8 将也传承了这一特色。作为三排座 SUV,极其注重第三排乘客的舒适度,它在市场竞争中的一大“杀手锏”。它是如何做到的呢?理想 i8 通过采用短前悬、压低车头的设计,你可以想象成把前轮尽量往前推,车头做得更紧凑,为车内腾出了惊人的空间。这样做的好处是,第三排不再是“小板凳”:乘客的头部、腿部空间都非常宽裕;同时,第三排座椅甚至支持向后大角度倾斜 35°,几乎可以“半躺”。除了设计和空间,充电速度是 i8 的另一个核心卖点。通过理想自研的 5C 超充桩实测,i8 仅需 10 分钟就能补充 500 公里的续航。不过,一个有趣的事实是,如果 i8 在一年前发布,这个速度绝对是“遥遥领先”。但在技术飞速发展的今天,其他品牌也追了上来。那么,理想的优势在哪?答案是,超充站的数量。截至 2025 年 6 月,理想的 5C 超充站数量已达到 3000 座,甚至超过了特斯拉在中国的充电站总量。并且,这个数字在年底计划将达到 4000 座。02不做老司机,要做“专车司机”作为一款智能电动车,辅助驾驶是不得不提的一点。理想 i8 首发搭载了一套全新的智能驾驶系统——VLA。这个系统,也是理想 i8 的核心卖点。你可能听过很多车企宣传自家的智驾像“老司机”。但理想认为,这还不够。VLA 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YL,空间进一步加大。","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/445928839745808","repostId":"2543654532","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"2543654532","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1749866488,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/2543654532?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2025-06-14 10:01","market":"us","language":"zh","title":"知名车评人“陈震同学”体验7座特斯拉Model Y","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=2543654532","media":"快科技","summary":"快科技6月14日消息,对于特斯拉Model Y,想必很多人都不陌生,但如果是7座的呢?没错,特斯拉Model Y提供七座版,但目前并没有在国内开售,近日,知名车评人“陈震同学”在美国就实际体验了一番。7座版的Model Y和五座版尺寸保持一致,长宽高4797*1920*1624mm,轴距2890mm,勉强算得上是中型SUV。此外不要忘记一个事实,Model Y本身是一台轿跑SUV,由于大溜背的存在,三排头部空间同样很不堪,甚至直接要顶住后挡风玻璃。","content":"<html><body><p>(原标题:知名车评人“陈震同学”体验7座<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TSLA\">特斯拉</a>Model Y 网友:犯了天条吗)</p><p>快科技6月14日消息,<strong>对于特斯拉Model Y,想必很多人都不陌生,但如果是7座的呢?</strong></p><p>没错,特斯拉Model Y提供七座版,但目前并没有在国内开售,近日,知名车评人“陈震同学”在美国就实际体验了一番。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_24/DF6E98503AE11217FDA146BD3B19DF2A9FBE22BC_size168_w600_h337.jpg\"/></p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_24/32E11E9A8FF8ADA135B182F4E9816DB685B5B205_size332_w600_h435.png\"/></p><p>7座版的Model Y和五座版尺寸保持一致,<strong>长宽高4797*1920*1624mm,轴距2890mm</strong>,勉强算得上是中型SUV。</p><p>由于空间有限,<strong>可以看到七座版二三排座椅非常单薄,空间也很逼仄,很像是现在某些航空的经济舱。</strong></p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_24/1E54CB4EA9B4E9FC9D8E863FDDD5CE6F2EEEC33B_size154_w600_h337.jpg\"/></p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_24/F2E469A4F4CD23E4935100BC6B2F67EFC3930D85_size451_w600_h1065.jpg\"/></p><p>即便勉强坐到了第三排,由于座椅位置低,坐垫厚度有限,坐起来如同坐在小板凳上一样,而且双脚无处安放。</p><p>此外不要忘记一个事实,<strong>Model Y本身是一台轿跑SUV,由于大溜背的存在,三排头部空间同样很不堪,甚至直接要顶住后挡风玻璃</strong>。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_24/3560017C981B364BA77CF8AF4F8F57602358C9F5_size272_w600_h800.jpg\"/></p><p>陈震将这组照片分享出来后,网友们在评论区纷纷化身“大文豪”,有人留言道:<strong>这是犯了天条在受刑吗;狗都不坐的第三排;腿锯了才能坐进去吧。</strong></p><p>不过也有人觉得有总比没有好,甚至放言称:中国有的话能卖爆。</p><p><img src=\"https://x0.ifengimg.com/ucms/2025_24/BF91FCA82F9448CD904A21F0044EC00CF9F72B40_size30_w600_h189.png\"/></p></body></html>","source":"fenghuang_stock","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>知名车评人“陈震同学”体验7座特斯拉Model Y</title>\n<style 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月,MEGA 独特的“火车头”造型引发了巨大争议造型,市场反响远未达到预期,最低时一个月只卖出四五百辆。这次彻底打乱了理想的发布节奏,迫使他们踩下急刹车。</p><p>直到一年后,理想 i8 才姗姗来迟。</p><img src=\"https://inews.gtimg.com/om_bt/OfWY07HjUTar_5GhbFJ_LvaeJzsJ2tsYmpw_GDsPKdNJsAA/0\"/><p>外观上,理想 i8 前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的元素,尾部则融入了 L9 的风格|图片来源:理想汽车</p><p>在这一年里,理想 i8 到底做了哪些改变?</p><p><strong>第一个,也是最核心的改变,是造型</strong>。按照原计划,理想 i8 和 MEGA 采用相似的设计语言,但上市后市场的反馈很直接:过于前卫的设计,用户不买账。</p><p>所以,理想汽车“痛定思痛”,果断对尚未发布的 i 系列进行了大刀阔斧的修改。于是,我们今天看到的 i8,成了一个非常巧妙的“折中”方案:前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的设计元素,保留了纯电家族的科技感和辨识度;尾部则融入了更受市场欢迎的 L9 车型的风格,显得稳重而有力量。</p><p>整体来看,理想 i8 介于 MEGA 的圆润和 L 系列的力量感之间,最终呈现出一款既有 SUV 的霸气,又兼具 MPV 实用性的车型,希望在争议中找到了平衡点。</p><p>如果说外观是“变”,那么对内部空间的极致追求,就是理想始终不变的“根”。</p><img src=\"https://inews.gtimg.com/om_bt/OsNPRM5SJlEypHZaqPqVyOybv_xV9jrkzdAj8Uh40cvw4AA/0\"/><p>理想 i8 通过短前悬的设计,打造出了更大的内部空间|图片来源:理想汽车</p><p>理想汽车一直信奉“以大为美”,而 i8 将也传承了这一特色。作为三排座 SUV,极其注重第三排乘客的舒适度,它在市场竞争中的一大“杀手锏”。</p><p>它是如何做到的呢?</p><p>理想 i8 通过采用短前悬、压低车头的设计,你可以想象成把前轮尽量往前推,车头做得更紧凑,为车内腾出了惊人的空间。这样做的好处是,第三排不再是“小板凳”:乘客的头部、腿部空间都非常宽裕;同时,第三排座椅甚至支持向后大角度倾斜 35°,几乎可以“半躺”。</p><p>除了设计和空间,充电速度是 i8 的另一个核心卖点。通过理想自研的 5C 超充桩实测,<strong>i8 仅需 10 分钟就能补充 500 公里的续航</strong>。</p><p>不过,一个有趣的事实是,如果 i8 在一年前发布,这个速度绝对是“遥遥领先”。但在技术飞速发展的今天,其他品牌也追了上来。那么,理想的优势在哪?</p><p>答案是,超充站的数量。<strong>截至 2025 年 6 月,理想的 5C 超充站数量已达到 3000 座</strong>,甚至超过了特斯拉在中国的充电站总量。并且,这个数字在年底计划将达到 4000 座。</p><p><strong>02</strong></p><p><strong>不做老司机,要做“专车司机”</strong></p><p>作为一款智能电动车,辅助驾驶是不得不提的一点。理想 i8 首发搭载了一套全新的智能驾驶系统——VLA。这个系统,也是理想 i8 的核心卖点。</p><p>你可能听过很多车企宣传自家的智驾像“老司机”。但理想认为,这还不够。VLA 的定位是“专车司机”、“私人司机”。</p><p>这二者有什么区别?老司机关注的是“我怎么把车开好”,核心是驾驶者本身;专车司机关注的是“怎么让乘客坐得舒服、安心”,核心是乘坐者。</p><img src=\"https://inews.gtimg.com/om_bt/OMDmiPbJX2MNgXqWITJR3frUQARPjGgmVfsb356ud4klcAA/0\"/><p>搭载在理想 i8 上的 VLA 模型,给理想 i8 带来更强的舒适性|图片来源:理想汽车</p><p>上周极客公园体验了搭载 VLA 的理想 i8,这也是它的第一个版本,最直观的感受就是“舒服”:比如在通过减速带之前,系统会像经验丰富的司机一样,提前预判并轻轻松开“油门”,让车辆平稳滑过,而不是猛地颠一下;在并线时,它会平滑地加速融入车流,绝不会突然往前“窜”,让乘客措手不及。</p><p><strong>更酷的是,你可以用语言来控车</strong>。对 i8 说“靠边停车”,它就会在右侧寻找合适位置停稳;说“前进 20 米”,它就能精准执行;它甚至能记住你的驾驶偏好,比如在某条路上你习惯开 50 公里/小时,它就会记住并在下次经过时主动执行。</p><p>要实现这种“专车司机”般的体验,以及语言控车能力,背后是智能驾驶技术路线的一次巨大变革:<strong>从模仿人类的“端到端(End-to-End)”模型,进化到了能够推理和学习的 VLA(Visual-Language-Action)架构</strong>。</p><p>这是什么意思呢?理想汽车自动驾驶研发高级副总裁郎咸朋博士用了一个非常生动的比喻:过去(端到端)像“猴子开车”。你让一只猴子看 1000 万段人类开车的视频,它能学会模仿人的动作——在什么情况下打方向盘,什么时候踩刹车。但它完全不理解为什么要这么做。它只是在“应激反应”。</p><p>现在(VLA)则像“人类司机开车”。它不仅学习如何开,更通过学习,理解了交通规则、物理世界和因果关系。它能推理和思考,知道为什么要这么开,甚至能向你解释它的决策。</p><p>这二者的分水岭,就在于 VLA 引入了“语言智能(Language)”这个关键层。它会将复杂的视觉信息,在“大脑”里(由算力高达 700TOPS 的<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">英伟达</a>芯片驱动)转化成一种可被理解和推理的“语言”。这也让 VLA 的决策过程,更像我们人类的大脑。</p><p><strong>03</strong></p><p><strong>两条腿走路</strong></p><p>在科技和商业的赛场上,没有永远的“常胜将军”。一家公司真正的强大,不在于它从不犯错,而在于它面对错误时的态度和纠错的能力。</p><p>去年 3 月,MEGA 上市受挫后,理想汽车董事长李想承认,他们犯下的最大错误,就是“错误地把理想 MEGA 的从 0 到 1 阶段,当成了从 1 到 10 阶段进行经营”。他们以为凭借 L 系列的成功光环,一款全新设计、全新定位的纯电车也能立刻引爆市场,但现实给了他们沉重一击。</p><p>这个“战略误判”,直接导致了后续纯电 SUV 的发布被推迟。理想汽车需要时间,让 MEGA 和高压纯电技术,重新走一遍从 0 到 1 的验证之路。</p><p>幸运的是,经过一年的努力,通过更聚焦家庭用户的沟通和体验活动,理想 MEGA 的口碑和销量已经开始反转,<strong>月销量从最低谷的几百辆,回升到了 2000 辆的水平</strong>。这虽然不算大获全胜,但已经为纯电车型 i8 和 i6,开了一个好头,证明了其纯电技术路线的可行性。</p><p>理想汽车的未来战略已经非常清晰。在增程这个“优势科目”上,它已经做到了顶尖,但增速不可避免地开始放缓,上半年销量增速仅为 7.9%,低于竞争对手。单一的增长引擎,已经不足以支撑它的长远发展。</p><p>因此,在纯电这个“新科目”上取得成功,对理想来说不是“选择题”,而是“必答题”。它的战术是双管齐下:在产品上,用 i8、i6 等回归主流家庭用户需求的纯电 SUV,去攻占市场最大的蛋糕;在生态上,用 VLA 这样的智能“软实力”和遍布全国的 5C 超充网络这样的“硬实力”,来打更舒适的用户体验。</p><p>不过,未来的挑战依然巨大,纯电市场的竞争比增程激烈百倍。理想汽车能否将“纠错”的勇气,转化为“二次创业”的胜势,将是未来一两年最大的看点。</p><p>*头图来源:理想汽车</p><p>本文为极客公园原创文章,转载请联系极客君微信 geekparkGO</p></article></body></html>","source":"tencent","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>32.18 万起!理想 i8 正面“硬刚”特斯拉 Model X</title>\n<style 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i8 才姗姗来迟。外观上,理想 i8 前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的元素,尾部则融入了 L9 的风格|图片来源:理想汽车在这一年里,理想 i8 到底做了哪些改变?第一个,也是最核心的改变,是造型。按照原计划,理想 i8 和 MEGA 采用相似的设计语言,但上市后市场的反馈很直接:过于前卫的设计,用户不买账。所以,理想汽车“痛定思痛”,果断对尚未发布的 i 系列进行了大刀阔斧的修改。于是,我们今天看到的 i8,成了一个非常巧妙的“折中”方案:前脸借鉴了 MEGA 的设计元素,保留了纯电家族的科技感和辨识度;尾部则融入了更受市场欢迎的 L9 车型的风格,显得稳重而有力量。整体来看,理想 i8 介于 MEGA 的圆润和 L 系列的力量感之间,最终呈现出一款既有 SUV 的霸气,又兼具 MPV 实用性的车型,希望在争议中找到了平衡点。如果说外观是“变”,那么对内部空间的极致追求,就是理想始终不变的“根”。理想 i8 通过短前悬的设计,打造出了更大的内部空间|图片来源:理想汽车理想汽车一直信奉“以大为美”,而 i8 将也传承了这一特色。作为三排座 SUV,极其注重第三排乘客的舒适度,它在市场竞争中的一大“杀手锏”。它是如何做到的呢?理想 i8 通过采用短前悬、压低车头的设计,你可以想象成把前轮尽量往前推,车头做得更紧凑,为车内腾出了惊人的空间。这样做的好处是,第三排不再是“小板凳”:乘客的头部、腿部空间都非常宽裕;同时,第三排座椅甚至支持向后大角度倾斜 35°,几乎可以“半躺”。除了设计和空间,充电速度是 i8 的另一个核心卖点。通过理想自研的 5C 超充桩实测,i8 仅需 10 分钟就能补充 500 公里的续航。不过,一个有趣的事实是,如果 i8 在一年前发布,这个速度绝对是“遥遥领先”。但在技术飞速发展的今天,其他品牌也追了上来。那么,理想的优势在哪?答案是,超充站的数量。截至 2025 年 6 月,理想的 5C 超充站数量已达到 3000 座,甚至超过了特斯拉在中国的充电站总量。并且,这个数字在年底计划将达到 4000 座。02不做老司机,要做“专车司机”作为一款智能电动车,辅助驾驶是不得不提的一点。理想 i8 首发搭载了一套全新的智能驾驶系统——VLA。这个系统,也是理想 i8 的核心卖点。你可能听过很多车企宣传自家的智驾像“老司机”。但理想认为,这还不够。VLA 的定位是“专车司机”、“私人司机”。这二者有什么区别?老司机关注的是“我怎么把车开好”,核心是驾驶者本身;专车司机关注的是“怎么让乘客坐得舒服、安心”,核心是乘坐者。搭载在理想 i8 上的 VLA 模型,给理想 i8 带来更强的舒适性|图片来源:理想汽车上周极客公园体验了搭载 VLA 的理想 i8,这也是它的第一个版本,最直观的感受就是“舒服”:比如在通过减速带之前,系统会像经验丰富的司机一样,提前预判并轻轻松开“油门”,让车辆平稳滑过,而不是猛地颠一下;在并线时,它会平滑地加速融入车流,绝不会突然往前“窜”,让乘客措手不及。更酷的是,你可以用语言来控车。对 i8 说“靠边停车”,它就会在右侧寻找合适位置停稳;说“前进 20 米”,它就能精准执行;它甚至能记住你的驾驶偏好,比如在某条路上你习惯开 50 公里/小时,它就会记住并在下次经过时主动执行。要实现这种“专车司机”般的体验,以及语言控车能力,背后是智能驾驶技术路线的一次巨大变革:从模仿人类的“端到端(End-to-End)”模型,进化到了能够推理和学习的 VLA(Visual-Language-Action)架构。这是什么意思呢?理想汽车自动驾驶研发高级副总裁郎咸朋博士用了一个非常生动的比喻:过去(端到端)像“猴子开车”。你让一只猴子看 1000 万段人类开车的视频,它能学会模仿人的动作——在什么情况下打方向盘,什么时候踩刹车。但它完全不理解为什么要这么做。它只是在“应激反应”。现在(VLA)则像“人类司机开车”。它不仅学习如何开,更通过学习,理解了交通规则、物理世界和因果关系。它能推理和思考,知道为什么要这么开,甚至能向你解释它的决策。这二者的分水岭,就在于 VLA 引入了“语言智能(Language)”这个关键层。它会将复杂的视觉信息,在“大脑”里(由算力高达 700TOPS 的英伟达芯片驱动)转化成一种可被理解和推理的“语言”。这也让 VLA 的决策过程,更像我们人类的大脑。03两条腿走路在科技和商业的赛场上,没有永远的“常胜将军”。一家公司真正的强大,不在于它从不犯错,而在于它面对错误时的态度和纠错的能力。去年 3 月,MEGA 上市受挫后,理想汽车董事长李想承认,他们犯下的最大错误,就是“错误地把理想 MEGA 的从 0 到 1 阶段,当成了从 1 到 10 阶段进行经营”。他们以为凭借 L 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导读:孙正义说,今后两到三个月可能发生任何灾难我们要为最坏情形未雨绸缪;可能只要一家银行就能酿成雷曼兄弟式危机。有800亿美元现金在手,软银股价若下跌,他就可以更积极地回购股票,也可以继续投资企业。\n</blockquote>\n<p>在本周二的线上活动中,软银创始人兼CEO孙正义亮出了软银的持现“家底”,为软银的科技业投资策略正名。</p>\n<p>孙正义称,为了让软银获得流动性应对全球范围的紧急状况,他决定软银出手资产。“今后两到三个月,可能发生任何灾难。所以我们要为最坏情形未雨绸缪。”据他所说,他最初的目标是今年出售400亿美元资产,但最终抛售了800亿美元。</p>\n<p>孙正义警告,可能出现像雷曼兄弟2008年倒闭那样的事件,引起大范围崩盘。他说,“在这种情况下任何事都可能发生。当然,疫苗就要来了,可谁知道今后两三个月会怎样?”</p>\n<p>孙正义称,可能有家大公司崩盘,制造全球“多米诺效应”的金融风暴。可能“只要一家银行”就能酿成“雷曼那样的危机”。“短期来看,我是悲观的。”</p>\n<p>这和孙正义此前的立场一致。今年8月的电话会议上,孙正义表示,新冠疫情改变了一切,软银正为经济长期低迷及可能的机会做准备,“现金是我们的防御手段”。</p>\n<p><b>01、拒绝置评私有化</b></p>\n<p>孙正义认为,有800亿美元现金在手,一旦软银股价下跌,他就可以更积极地回购更多的股票,也可以继续投资私营企业和公开上市公司。不过孙正义并未置评他是否会让软银私有化,从公开市场退市。</p>\n<p>媒体称,在软银内部,至少有五年都在讨论是否通过买断股票让公司私有化。</p>\n<p>今年3月,软银公布,将在此后四个季度出售至多价值4.5万亿日元(约合410亿美元)的资产,以此资助2.5万亿日元的创纪录规模股票回购计划,并偿还债务和回购债券。外界对软银私有化的猜测继续升温。</p>\n<p>8月软银公布,7月1日至8月3日间已斥资3980亿日元回购了6320万股,3月以来用于股票回购的总开支由此达到1万亿日元(约合95亿美元),10月软银披露,在9月约半个月的时间内,又投入401亿日元(约合3.8亿美元)回购617万股。</p>\n<p><b>02、坚持AI梦</b></p>\n<p>孙正义本周二为软银最近的公开上市股票投资辩护。他反问:“假如我觉得公开一些上市公司会在AI革命期间成为成功的企业,谁又能说我不应该投资它们?”</p>\n<p>孙正义重申,相信全球数字化转型和人工智能问世将给他的投资带来帮助。</p>\n<p>在孙正义表态前,软银最近几个月已经因为大举押注科技股的投资引发争议。</p>\n<p>今年9月,媒体爆出软银豪赌科技股的消息,称软银买入了与名义价值500亿美元股票挂钩的科技股期权,一度带来短期浮盈约40亿美元。这些期权被媒体称为“纳斯达克鲸”,因为它是二季度科技股高涨的幕后推手。由于投资者担心软银的衍生品交易可能带来巨大损失,软银的市值此后蒸发约90亿美元。</p>\n<p>10月媒体又传出消息称,虽然曾考虑削减持仓,但软银旗下公共股票交易部门已经将股票持仓规模扩大到200多亿美元。这可能已远超目标水平,因为今年8月爆出的软银目标是逾100亿美元。</p>\n<p>上周一软银公布财报显示,在截至9月的第二财季、即今年第三季度,软银 “在上市股票和其他工具上的投资”造成了1317亿日元(约合13亿美元)的亏损。</p>\n<p>孙正义在财报公布后的电话会议上称,“当你说到衍生品时,这听起来风险很大,但它只占我们所持资产总价值的1%。(如果这些投资失败),损失也只占软银总股本的1%-2%,所以只占整体情况的一小部分。”</p>\n<p>上周媒体消息还称,孙正义本人对软银交易股票和衍生品的部门持股三分之一。在上周一的电话会上,多名分析师和基金经理质疑孙正义,认为他的持股让人担心公司的管理。孙否认有利益冲突,称那是他通过投资专业知识取得的酬劳,别的基金经理也收费。</p>\n<p>值得一提的是,三季度软银的大型科技投资工具愿景基金(Vision Fund)斩获了创纪录的7844亿日元利润。媒体指出,这都要归功于该基金去年11月曾以13.5亿美元投资<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BEKE\">贝壳</a>找房。自今年8月上市到9月30日,<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BEKE\">贝壳</a>找房的股价飙升,软银的持股回报率高达375%。</p>\n<p><b>03、称赞WeWork创始人</b></p>\n<p>孙正义本周二还提到了共享办公空间独角兽WeWork的创始人Adam Neumann,称他是个聪明人,是个积极主动的人。“他是个出色的领导者,但他犯了些错。”</p>\n<p>WeWork近年来一直是软银备受诟病的一项科技业投资。去年9月末,WeWork撤回IPO申请,此后被爆出面临严重的现金流压力,并失去了大客户<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GOOG\">谷歌</a>。</p>\n<p>去年10月,WeWork的创始人Adam 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导读:孙正义说,今后两到三个月可能发生任何灾难我们要为最坏情形未雨绸缪;可能只要一家银行就能酿成雷曼兄弟式危机。有800亿美元现金在手,软银股价若下跌,他就可以更积极地回购股票,也可以继续投资企业。\n</blockquote>\n<p>在本周二的线上活动中,软银创始人兼CEO孙正义亮出了软银的持现“家底”,为软银的科技业投资策略正名。</p>\n<p>孙正义称,为了让软银获得流动性应对全球范围的紧急状况,他决定软银出手资产。“今后两到三个月,可能发生任何灾难。所以我们要为最坏情形未雨绸缪。”据他所说,他最初的目标是今年出售400亿美元资产,但最终抛售了800亿美元。</p>\n<p>孙正义警告,可能出现像雷曼兄弟2008年倒闭那样的事件,引起大范围崩盘。他说,“在这种情况下任何事都可能发生。当然,疫苗就要来了,可谁知道今后两三个月会怎样?”</p>\n<p>孙正义称,可能有家大公司崩盘,制造全球“多米诺效应”的金融风暴。可能“只要一家银行”就能酿成“雷曼那样的危机”。“短期来看,我是悲观的。”</p>\n<p>这和孙正义此前的立场一致。今年8月的电话会议上,孙正义表示,新冠疫情改变了一切,软银正为经济长期低迷及可能的机会做准备,“现金是我们的防御手段”。</p>\n<p><b>01、拒绝置评私有化</b></p>\n<p>孙正义认为,有800亿美元现金在手,一旦软银股价下跌,他就可以更积极地回购更多的股票,也可以继续投资私营企业和公开上市公司。不过孙正义并未置评他是否会让软银私有化,从公开市场退市。</p>\n<p>媒体称,在软银内部,至少有五年都在讨论是否通过买断股票让公司私有化。</p>\n<p>今年3月,软银公布,将在此后四个季度出售至多价值4.5万亿日元(约合410亿美元)的资产,以此资助2.5万亿日元的创纪录规模股票回购计划,并偿还债务和回购债券。外界对软银私有化的猜测继续升温。</p>\n<p>8月软银公布,7月1日至8月3日间已斥资3980亿日元回购了6320万股,3月以来用于股票回购的总开支由此达到1万亿日元(约合95亿美元),10月软银披露,在9月约半个月的时间内,又投入401亿日元(约合3.8亿美元)回购617万股。</p>\n<p><b>02、坚持AI梦</b></p>\n<p>孙正义本周二为软银最近的公开上市股票投资辩护。他反问:“假如我觉得公开一些上市公司会在AI革命期间成为成功的企业,谁又能说我不应该投资它们?”</p>\n<p>孙正义重申,相信全球数字化转型和人工智能问世将给他的投资带来帮助。</p>\n<p>在孙正义表态前,软银最近几个月已经因为大举押注科技股的投资引发争议。</p>\n<p>今年9月,媒体爆出软银豪赌科技股的消息,称软银买入了与名义价值500亿美元股票挂钩的科技股期权,一度带来短期浮盈约40亿美元。这些期权被媒体称为“纳斯达克鲸”,因为它是二季度科技股高涨的幕后推手。由于投资者担心软银的衍生品交易可能带来巨大损失,软银的市值此后蒸发约90亿美元。</p>\n<p>10月媒体又传出消息称,虽然曾考虑削减持仓,但软银旗下公共股票交易部门已经将股票持仓规模扩大到200多亿美元。这可能已远超目标水平,因为今年8月爆出的软银目标是逾100亿美元。</p>\n<p>上周一软银公布财报显示,在截至9月的第二财季、即今年第三季度,软银 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Neumann辞去CEO职务。当月WeWork董事长透露,软银对该司的投资规模达到185亿美元。当月媒体消息称,为了换取Neumann离开WeWork的董事会并交出投票权,支持软银接手WeWork,软银提出向Neumann支付2亿美元。</p>\n<p>受新冠肺炎疫情影响,WeWork处境雪上加霜。今年4月软银宣布撤回30亿美元收购要约。当月末软银公布,在截至今年3月一财年,预计在WeWork上的投资损失高达约7000亿日元,约合66亿美元。</p>\n<p>5月孙正义称,软银对WeWork的投资是“愚蠢的”。当时媒体根据现金流贴现法估算,截至3月末,软银对WeWork的估值为29亿美元。而去年上市前WeWork的估值曾高达470亿美元。</p>\n<p>8月媒体称,软银同意,以优先担保债券的形式,向WeWork提供11亿美元,以此帮助WeWork解决二季度大量现金流出的问题。二季度WeWork烧钱6.71亿美元,环比增长近40%,当季销售额环比下滑20%。</p>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/acb77b88f0e1500dd735d82182c9d65c","relate_stocks":{},"is_english":false,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1167810458","content_text":"导读:孙正义说,今后两到三个月可能发生任何灾难我们要为最坏情形未雨绸缪;可能只要一家银行就能酿成雷曼兄弟式危机。有800亿美元现金在手,软银股价若下跌,他就可以更积极地回购股票,也可以继续投资企业。\n\n在本周二的线上活动中,软银创始人兼CEO孙正义亮出了软银的持现“家底”,为软银的科技业投资策略正名。\n孙正义称,为了让软银获得流动性应对全球范围的紧急状况,他决定软银出手资产。“今后两到三个月,可能发生任何灾难。所以我们要为最坏情形未雨绸缪。”据他所说,他最初的目标是今年出售400亿美元资产,但最终抛售了800亿美元。\n孙正义警告,可能出现像雷曼兄弟2008年倒闭那样的事件,引起大范围崩盘。他说,“在这种情况下任何事都可能发生。当然,疫苗就要来了,可谁知道今后两三个月会怎样?”\n孙正义称,可能有家大公司崩盘,制造全球“多米诺效应”的金融风暴。可能“只要一家银行”就能酿成“雷曼那样的危机”。“短期来看,我是悲观的。”\n这和孙正义此前的立场一致。今年8月的电话会议上,孙正义表示,新冠疫情改变了一切,软银正为经济长期低迷及可能的机会做准备,“现金是我们的防御手段”。\n01、拒绝置评私有化\n孙正义认为,有800亿美元现金在手,一旦软银股价下跌,他就可以更积极地回购更多的股票,也可以继续投资私营企业和公开上市公司。不过孙正义并未置评他是否会让软银私有化,从公开市场退市。\n媒体称,在软银内部,至少有五年都在讨论是否通过买断股票让公司私有化。\n今年3月,软银公布,将在此后四个季度出售至多价值4.5万亿日元(约合410亿美元)的资产,以此资助2.5万亿日元的创纪录规模股票回购计划,并偿还债务和回购债券。外界对软银私有化的猜测继续升温。\n8月软银公布,7月1日至8月3日间已斥资3980亿日元回购了6320万股,3月以来用于股票回购的总开支由此达到1万亿日元(约合95亿美元),10月软银披露,在9月约半个月的时间内,又投入401亿日元(约合3.8亿美元)回购617万股。\n02、坚持AI梦\n孙正义本周二为软银最近的公开上市股票投资辩护。他反问:“假如我觉得公开一些上市公司会在AI革命期间成为成功的企业,谁又能说我不应该投资它们?”\n孙正义重申,相信全球数字化转型和人工智能问世将给他的投资带来帮助。\n在孙正义表态前,软银最近几个月已经因为大举押注科技股的投资引发争议。\n今年9月,媒体爆出软银豪赌科技股的消息,称软银买入了与名义价值500亿美元股票挂钩的科技股期权,一度带来短期浮盈约40亿美元。这些期权被媒体称为“纳斯达克鲸”,因为它是二季度科技股高涨的幕后推手。由于投资者担心软银的衍生品交易可能带来巨大损失,软银的市值此后蒸发约90亿美元。\n10月媒体又传出消息称,虽然曾考虑削减持仓,但软银旗下公共股票交易部门已经将股票持仓规模扩大到200多亿美元。这可能已远超目标水平,因为今年8月爆出的软银目标是逾100亿美元。\n上周一软银公布财报显示,在截至9月的第二财季、即今年第三季度,软银 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