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WGJJS
01-08
$MINIMAX-WP(00100)$
都远不及期望值啊,我就打了个壁刃,吃了点,这几个都没碰
WGJJS
2025-12-30
$壁仞科技(06082)$
算起来中签率有点低,需要倍数涨
WGJJS
2025-11-21
AI的真正问题是没有在最终用户那里产生收入,最终用户,是普罗大众, 面对普罗大众,卖广告,似乎是唯一出路
英伟达财报后走势“诡异”,6100亿美元“AI庞氏骗局”崩盘?
WGJJS
2025-09-18
$英特尔(INTC)$
上次卖了后,买了个底仓,靠,英伟达损我道心
WGJJS
2025-08-28
$美团-W(03690)$
到60左右再加,现在不要买,利空远没有出尽
WGJJS
2025-08-25
$拼多多(PDD)$
是一家极好的公司,不过他们不想股票上涨
WGJJS
2025-08-06
$Figma(FIG)$
股东自己都看空,就别蹚浑水了
WGJJS
2025-07-21
$纳斯达克(.IXIC)$
危了,需要正常回调下
WGJJS
2025-06-26
纯视觉自动驾驶绝对不行的
安全员频繁介入难掩隐患,特斯拉Robotaxi首秀暴露商业化技术缺陷
WGJJS
2025-06-23
特斯拉的无人车真正上路后,大概率会把它自己脸扇烂,纯视觉不可行,极端天气,甚至大暴雨都搞不定
最新研究:特斯拉Robotaxi比谷歌Waymo安全7倍,成本仅1/7
WGJJS
2025-06-20
$Circle Internet Corp.(CRCL)$
稳定币代表着美国未来对全球的收割能力,必须要涨天上去[开心] [开心]
WGJJS
2025-06-20
$三花智控(02050)$
中签率太低了
WGJJS
2025-05-16
$联合健康(UNH)$
这家公司牵扯事情太大,不过问题没这么严重
WGJJS
2025-05-08
川王又来了,估计又得几十亿入账
美股持续走高,特朗普宣布美英贸易协定,并称最好赶快去买股票
WGJJS
2025-05-02
每个人都知道这是虚假数据,每个月都得改[开心]
美国4月非农新增17.7万人超预期,失业率持稳!市场仍押注年内四次降息
WGJJS
2025-04-11
$纳斯达克(.IXIC)$
话说川普公然操纵市场,赚得这么多,公蜘们所谓的制度纠偏在哪里呢[财迷] [财迷]
WGJJS
2025-04-11
$纳斯达克(.IXIC)$
短期不降息,要是美债卖不动,全凉
WGJJS
2025-04-10
千里做官只为财
WGJJS
2025-04-09
$纳斯达克(.IXIC)$
完全脱钩了,这50个点加与不加没有意义,不必在意。 等以后滞胀了,才会继续跌
WGJJS
2025-04-09
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股价在财报发布后飙升5%,却在18小时内暴跌至负值区间。<strong>华尔街算法捕捉到了人类未能察觉的异常:账面数据存在严重矛盾。</strong></p><p>周五,英伟达夜盘股价短线“跳水”,截至发稿由涨转跌。</p><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2b5f8ac56f4b709a46cfddf48cf18809\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1161\" 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/VIDE\">视频显示</a>,测试车辆在开放道路环境中出现了包括车道误判、危险停车、异常变道等在内的多项操作问题,为特斯拉自动驾驶战略蒙上阴影。</p><p>作为特斯拉CEO埃隆·马斯克战略转型的核心支柱,自动驾驶技术的商业化进程正面临前所未有的压力。在传统汽车销售承压的背景下,马斯克曾公开宣称特斯拉的财务未来与自动驾驶技术深度绑定,并立下2025年下半年实现数百万辆特斯拉完全自动驾驶的激进目标。然而此次测试暴露的问题,让这个时间表的可信度遭遇质疑。</p><p>试乘乘客记录的影像资料揭示了多个危险场景:某测试车辆在六车道主干道突然变道至对向车道,持续逆行达6秒之久,期间转向系统出现非预期抖动;另一辆出租车在无障碍物情况下紧急制动,导致乘客随身物品散落车厢;更有车辆在经过闪烁警灯的警车时两次毫无征兆停在路中央。最引发安全担忧的案例发生在多车道交汇处,测试车竟将乘客滞留在车流密集的十字路口中央,而车辆前排配备的人工安全员不得不介入终止行驶。</p><p>面对质疑,特斯拉安全团队强调测试车辆均配置双保险机制,除自动驾驶系统外,前排座位始终配备专业安全监控员。在某段视频中,当测试车前方出现倒车的货运卡车时,安全员及时按下紧急停止按钮避免碰撞。但卡内基梅隆大学自动驾驶专家菲利普·库普曼指出:"首日测试即出现如此高频次异常操作,这反映出系统决策逻辑存在根本性缺陷。"</p><p>值得关注的是,特斯拉此次采用"渐进式开放"策略:初期仅邀请精选用户参与,设置固定4.2美元收费标准,划定有限运营区域并规避复杂路况。但德州大学交通工程教授卡拉·科克尔曼认为,即便在受限场景下,让乘客在六车道公路中间下车的行为仍构成重大安全隐患,"这暴露出系统对道路环境的理解存在根本性认知偏差"。</p><p>行业对比显示,自动驾驶商业化道路充满坎坷。Alphabet(GOOGL.US)旗下Waymo虽成为美国首家实现无安全员商业化运营的企业,但其奥斯汀运营也面临交通阻塞等挑战;通用(GM.US)Cruise更因安全事故被迫暂停服务。特斯拉此次测试规模达10-20辆改装版Model 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left;\">第一大优势,<strong>是特斯拉Robotaxi比Waymo更便宜</strong>,具体地说,Waymo的整车成本是特斯拉Robotaxi的七倍。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Waymo目前运营的是第五代车,基于捷豹I-Pace打造,这是一辆纯电SUV,在美国售价高达7.73万美元,折合人民币约为<strong>52.7万元</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">而特斯拉这边,目前采用的Robotaxi就是Model Y,在美国售价为44990美元,折合人民币约为32.3万元,是I-Pace价格的61%。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/27555d69edd70bd1fe76245f6c34c9c1\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"471\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">价格看上去只差了一半不到,但还要考虑到车上的感知硬件成本。Waymo在I-Pace还加装了各种各样传感器,仅激光雷达就有5个。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">众所周知,激光雷达是中国玩家遥遥领先的领域,2024年的统计数据显示,<strong>禾赛、速腾和华为合计包揽了全球76%的市场份额</strong>,不管是性能和成本控制都更优秀。而众所不周知的是,由于美国相关法案限制,采用中国自动驾驶套件的车辆无法在美上路,只能搭载其他地区的产品,这也无形中抬高了<strong>部分</strong>美国Robotaxi的成本。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Waymo的摄像头也更多,五代车安装了29个,<strong>Model Y感知硬件只有8个摄像头</strong>。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0c8d759e712937c58516ad47bd872f9a\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"608\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">双方的量产规模也不在一个级别,特斯拉每年有上百万台车出厂,而Waymo最近公布的车队规模是1500辆,这也会拉开成本差距。按照报告给出的结论,Waymo无人车成本应该在200万元以上。同时双方软件研发摊薄后的成本也不在一个量级。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">综合对比后,特斯拉Robotaxi在成本侧对比Waymo确实很大优势。单看这点,争议不大。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">但报告还同时对比了双方的安全性,忽视了关键因素,引发行业批评。</p><h2 id=\"id_2613932082\" style=\"text-align: left;\">安全性真的差那么大吗?</h2><p style=\"text-align: left;\">报告利用所谓的<strong>事故率</strong>,对比了双方的安全度。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">报告援引官方数据,表示FSD每行驶<strong>160万公里约发生0.15起</strong>事故,而Waymo同等距离下,会发生1.16起事故,从直观数据上来看安全性何止差了7倍。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0fa3b585100ad3c0a2c76976a652f618\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"867\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">为什么差距会这么大?</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">报告分析认为,是由于Waymo搭载了太多传感器,感知到的数据量太大,处理不过来。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">听上去有点合理性,但有从业者对报告提出了不同意见,指出<strong>这是歪曲数据得出的结论</strong>。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f0acc5a2f841a87bb045910f2af5a0ee\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"210\" tg-height=\"156\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">报告的数据来源和对比都缺乏一致性,首先,报告引用数据的时间段不同。特斯拉的数据是2025年一季度,Waymo的数据则是2024年四季度,差了足足三个月,将近100天的时间,AI算法迭代日新月异,这样对比多少有失公平。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">其次,事故率的计算也有问题。在报告援引的官方数据中,特斯拉仅在安全气囊或安全带收紧器触发时才将其计为“事故”,对于轻微的碰撞事件,则不计入在内。而Waymo统计的事故,则包括了安全气囊触发、车辆受损、交警报告的碰撞等。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">双方对“事故”的认定都不一样,所谓事故率自然也没什么好比较的。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">最最最不能回避的一点是,特斯拉目前路测的Robotaxi很少,FSD绝大多数情况下是有人监督的智能辅助驾驶,属于人机共驾。而Waymo早已实现主驾无人,是真正的无人驾驶。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a567502c4315fef5c146c6230c68feff\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"491\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">实际上,此前国内也不乏类似的对比,当时由于技术不够成熟,法规做出了限制,许多Robotaxi设置了安全员,随时准备接管,从形式上看这与智能辅助驾驶没什么区别,引发了很多争论。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">直到2022年前后,Robotaxi开始放开主驾无人,L2与L4从此泾渭分明,判若两物,争议就此减少。有无人车头部负责人曾表示,<strong>应该让无人和无人比,有人驾的车和有人比</strong>,以此来回应Robotaxi与L2头部玩家的对比。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">此时此刻,硅谷又出现了类似的对比,而且形成了特斯拉远比Waymo更安全,占尽优势的报告,或许是给特斯拉Robotaxi即将正式上线吹风。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/333fe4bfdcf9cbb362d511898abce3ec\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"852\" tg-height=\"790\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">特斯拉Robotaxi预计将于近期上线,有消息称首批仅10辆车,面向内部员工和受邀人员内测。马斯克对此很乐观,<strong>认为车队规模会在数月之内扩至1000辆</strong>。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">报告比马斯克还乐观35倍,指出特斯拉在数据规模、运营范围以及整车适配上都有很大优势,预测到今年年底特斯拉Robotaxi车队规模将迅速达到<strong>3.5万辆</strong>,Waymo会同时增长到2500辆。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c4d81097f436dce8e64fa4b747e882d2\" alt=\"\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"942\" tg-height=\"560\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">3.5万辆是个什么水平?</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">目前中美无人车双雄,Waymo和萝卜快跑车队规模合计有2500辆,其他玩家都还在朝着一千台努力。3.5万辆,是<strong>当前全球所有Robotaxi玩家车队数总和</strong>的数倍之多。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">如果特斯拉无人车真能在短时间内膨胀至此,那无疑将是行业的里程碑式成绩,给行业带来巨大利好。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">这不仅激励了当下的无人车玩家,也将充分验证L2升维路线的可行性,基于量产车,100%采用车规级部件落地Robotaxi这条路跑通了。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">自动驾驶最强鲶鱼,Robotaxi最关键的变量,已经来了。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">L4玩家最强的友商可能不是Waymo,更需要警惕的是特斯拉。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">以及在中国,和特斯拉一样路线的Momenta也明确了Robotaxi目标。</p><p style=\"text-align: left;\">而这条L2-L3……的路线上,还可能有“遥遥领先”的华为。</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1611665793971","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>最新研究:特斯拉Robotaxi比谷歌Waymo安全7倍,成本仅1/7</title>\n<style 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Y,在美国售价为44990美元,折合人民币约为32.3万元,是I-Pace价格的61%。价格看上去只差了一半不到,但还要考虑到车上的感知硬件成本。Waymo在I-Pace还加装了各种各样传感器,仅激光雷达就有5个。众所周知,激光雷达是中国玩家遥遥领先的领域,2024年的统计数据显示,禾赛、速腾和华为合计包揽了全球76%的市场份额,不管是性能和成本控制都更优秀。而众所不周知的是,由于美国相关法案限制,采用中国自动驾驶套件的车辆无法在美上路,只能搭载其他地区的产品,这也无形中抬高了部分美国Robotaxi的成本。Waymo的摄像头也更多,五代车安装了29个,Model 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justify;\">5月2日,美国劳工统计局公布的数据显示,经季节性调整后,<strong>美国4月非农就业人口增长达到17.7万人,好于预期,失业率维持在4.2%,符合预期,表明劳动力市场依然稳健。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">非农重要数据如下:</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>美国4月非农就业人口增长17.7万人,预期13.8万人,前值从22.8万人下修至18.5万人。</p></li><li><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">美国4月失业率4.2%,预期4.2%,前值为4.2%。</p></li><li><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">美国4月制造业就业人口变动为减少0.1万人,预期为减少0.5万人,前值为增加0.1万人。</p></li><li><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">美国4月私营部门就业人口变动增加16.7万人,预期为12.5万人,前值为20.9万人。</p></li><li><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">美国4月平均每小时工资同比增长3.8%,预期为3.9%,前值为3.8%;4月平均每小时工资环比增长0.2%,预期增长0.3%,前值为0.3%。</p></li><li><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">美国4月平均每周工时34.3小时,预期为34.2小时,前值34.2小时。</p></li><li><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">美国4月劳动力参与率62.6%,预期62.5%,前值62.5%。</p></li></ul><p>数据公布后,美股期指涨幅扩大:纳斯达克100指数期货涨0.75%,标普500指数期货涨0.8%,道琼斯指数期货涨0.79%。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/17cbc5e544028369e7d6ec1564727fbc\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"443\" 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