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03-19

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 涨到80元就扔掉🫳[开心] [开心] [开心] [鬼脸] [鬼脸] [得意] [得意] [得意] [得意]

03-03

好👍🏾

加密货币股集体狂飙，Bit Origin盘初一度升逾380%

03-01

[开心] [开心] [贱笑]

DeepSeek王炸开源第六弹：全面揭秘V3/R1推理系统秘密，成本利润率高达545%！

02-26

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 好👌！100%

02-21

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 80元，冲

02-19

$NVDA 20250417 135.0 CALL$ 153，冲

02-14

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 继续加油呀嘻嘻

02-14

$NVDA 20250417 135.0 CALL$ 好👌

02-13

好，记2035年

美股量子计算概念股逆势集体冲高，D-Wave Quantum涨超10%

02-11

$腾讯音乐(TME)$ 真实就好了 ……

02-07

$巴西石油公司(PBR)$ 好👌

02-07

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 好👌

02-06

好👌

抱歉，原内容已删除

02-04

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 上到80吗？

01-27

好难捕捉的高点。。。。

01-27

$3M(MMM)$ 一个月[财迷] [财迷] [财迷] [财迷] ～真香

01-20

上4年的班～年年乱搞

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2024-12-31

$知临集团(APM)$ 现在能进吗

2024-12-27

$小米集团-W(01810)$ 1300天后的情况[微笑]

2024-11-06

[开心] [开心] [开心] [开心]

特朗普连任获胜，美国监狱运营商股价飙涨

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算力，同时专家分散，降低内存压力，更快响应。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">本来以为DeepSeek开源周连续五天的开源项目已经结束了，万万没想到DeepSeek还有one more thing ，补了一个王炸开源项目第六弹：深度揭秘DeepSeek V3/R1 推理系统背后的秘密</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c4966df229fb52178fbd42809e12dfac\" tg-width=\"1364\" tg-height=\"1004\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">本号第一时间给大家划个重点</p><h2 id=\"id_4159871898\">V3/R1系统设计原则：效率至上！</h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">DeepSeek V3/R1 推理系统的核心目标非常明确：更高吞吐量，更低延迟！ 为了实现这两个目标，DeepSeek 团队祭出了一个大招 —— 跨节点专家并行 (Expert Parallelism, EP)！</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">专家并行 (EP) 是什么神仙操作？</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">简单来说，EP就像是“多人协作”，把模型中的“专家”分散到多张 GPU 上进行计算。这样做有两大好处：</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 大幅提升 Batch Size，榨干 GPU 算力！ ???? 更大的 Batch Size 意味着 GPU 矩阵运算效率更高，推理吞吐量自然水涨船高！</p></li><li><p>• 专家分散，降低内存压力，更快响应！ ⚡️ 每个 GPU 只需处理一小部分专家，减少了内存访问需求，延迟也就降下来啦！</p></li></ul><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">当然，EP 也不是完美无瑕的，它也带来了新的挑战：</p><ol start=\"1\" style=\"\"><li><p>1. 跨节点通信！ ???? 专家分散在不同节点，节点间的通信就成了性能瓶颈。DeepSeek 团队必须精心设计计算流程，让通信和计算“无缝衔接”，最大化效率！</p></li><li><p>2. 多节点数据并行 (DP) + 负载均衡！ ⚖️ EP 本身就涉及多节点，再加上数据并行，负载均衡就显得尤为重要！必须保证所有 GPU 都“吃饱喝足”，避免出现“木桶效应”。</p></li></ol><h2 id=\"id_784007131\">硬核技术揭秘！如何应对 EP 带来的挑战？</h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">DeepSeek 团队为了解决 EP 带来的复杂性，可谓是下足了功夫！他们主要从以下几个方面入手：</p><blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">1.规模化跨节点专家并行 (Large-scale Cross-node Expert Parallelism (EP))</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">DeepSeek V3/R1 模型参数量巨大，专家数量也相当惊人 (256个专家中只有8个被激活！)。这种高稀疏性决定了模型需要 超大的 Batch Size 才能充分发挥性能。 因此，大规模跨节点 EP 是必然选择！</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">为了适应预填充 (prefill) 和解码 (decode) 阶段的不同特点，DeepSeek 采用了不同程度的并行策略：</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 预填充阶段 [Routed Expert EP32, MLA/Shared Expert DP32]： 每个部署单元跨越 4 个节点，拥有 32 个冗余路由专家。每张 GPU 管理 9 个路由专家和 1 个共享专家。</p></li><li><p>• 解码阶段 [Routed Expert EP144, MLA/Shared Expert DP144]： 每个部署单元扩展到 18 个节点，依然是 32 个冗余路由专家。每张 GPU 管理 2 个路由专家和 1 个共享专家。</p></li><li><p>• 计算-通信重叠 (Computation-Communication Overlapping) </p></li></ul><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">大规模跨节点 EP 引入了巨大的通信开销。为了解决这个问题，DeepSeek 采用了 双批次重叠策略 (dual-batch overlap strategy)。 简单来说，就是把一个大的请求 Batch 分成两个 Micro-Batch，交替执行。这样，一个 Micro-Batch 的通信开销就可以巧妙地隐藏在另一个 Micro-Batch 的计算过程中！</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">以下是预填充阶段的计算-通信重叠示意图：</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/853213d98b58e869d80bbc872e2aa296\" tg-width=\"1346\" tg-height=\"318\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">解码阶段也采用了类似的策略，但更加精细，将 Attention 层进一步细分为两步，使用了 五阶段流水线 (5-stage pipeline)，实现更流畅的通信-计算重叠</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/fb27cc58ba62d232e7c5024d5b477d3c\" tg-width=\"1336\" tg-height=\"350\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">想了解更多计算-通信重叠的细节？ 猛戳这里：https://github.com/deepseek-ai/profile-data (DeepSeek 官方性能分析数据仓库)</p><blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">2.最优负载均衡 (Optimal Load Balancing) ⚖️</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">大规模并行 (DP + EP) 带来的另一个挑战就是 负载均衡。 一旦某个 GPU 成为瓶颈，整个系统的性能都会被拖累。为了最大化资源利用率，DeepSeek 团队在负载均衡方面也做了很多优化，主要包括以下三个方面：</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">a. 预填充负载均衡器 (Prefill Load Balancer)</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 关键问题： 不同 DP 实例的请求数量和序列长度不同，导致核心注意力计算和分发发送负载不均衡。</p></li><li><p>• 优化目标：<br/>* 平衡 GPU 之间的核心注意力计算负载 (核心注意力计算负载均衡)。<br/>* 均衡每个 GPU 的输入 Token 数量 (分发发送负载均衡)，防止特定 GPU 成为性能瓶颈。</p></li></ul><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">b. 解码负载均衡器 (Decode Load Balancer)</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 关键问题： 不同 DP 实例的请求数量和序列长度不均，导致核心注意力计算 (与 KVCache 使用量相关) 和分发发送负载差异。</p></li><li><p>• 优化目标：<br/>* 平衡 GPU 之间的 KVCache 使用量 (核心注意力计算负载均衡)<br/>* 均衡每个 GPU 的请求数量 (分发发送负载均衡)</p></li></ul><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">c. 专家并行负载均衡器 (Expert-Parallel Load Balancer)</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 关键问题： 对于 MoE 模型，存在一些天生高负载的专家，导致不同 GPU 上的专家计算负载不均衡。</p></li><li><p>• 优化目标：<br/>* 平衡每个 GPU 上的专家计算负载 (即，最小化所有 GPU 的最大分发接收负载)。</p></li></ul><h2 id=\"id_2867931366\">系统架构一览!DeepSeek 在线推理系统概览</h2><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ffb15a20e3ec96a0590ed6029f1334c1\" tg-width=\"1350\" tg-height=\"630\"/></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">整个 DeepSeek 在线推理系统架构清晰明了，各个组件协同工作，保证了高性能和稳定性。</p><h2 id=\"id_460851006\">硬核数据说话!) DeepSeek 在线服务性能统计 </h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">DeepSeek V3/R1 推理服务全部部署在 H800 GPU 上，并采用了与训练一致的精度策略：</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 矩阵乘法和分发传输** 使用 FP8 格式</p></li><li><p>• 核心 MLA 计算和组合传输** 使用 BF16格式</p></li></ul><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">保证了最佳服务性能！</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">根据统计数据 (UTC+8 02/27/2025 12:00 PM to 02/28/2025 12:00 PM)：</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">单 H800 节点平均吞吐量： 预填充阶段约 73.7k tokens/s (输入，包含缓存命中)，解码阶段约14.8k tokens/s (输出)！</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 成本利润率高达 545%！ 这简直逆天！</p></li><li><p></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8eadd7daca6e10675a5053556adaafb4\" tg-width=\"1326\" tg-height=\"474\"/></p></li></ul><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">其他关键数据：</p><ul style=\"\"><li><p>• 总输入 Tokens：608B，其中 342B (56.3%) 命中 On-disk KV 缓存</p></li><li><p>• 总输出 Tokens：168B。</p></li><li><p>• 平均输出速度：20-22 tokens/秒。</p></li><li><p>• 平均每个输出 Token 的 KVCache 长度：4,989 tokens</p></li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img 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