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RicardoYedon
2022-05-12
说的没错,加息一旦决定一定要足够坚定才能让市场相信美联储
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RicardoYedon
2022-05-03
市场已经成熟了,从成长回归价值了
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RicardoYedon
2022-04-23
$奈飞(NFLX)$
还得继续跌,这个roe和净值,这个市盈率和股价,在增长停止的情况下明显不合理
RicardoYedon
2022-03-16
$上证指数(000001.SH)$
又3000点是吧😅
RicardoYedon
2021-11-08
投机势头太猛,明眼人都不会跟风的
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RicardoYedon
2021-06-24
ibm估值合理,并未低估
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RicardoYedon
2021-06-24
都不买
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RicardoYedon
2021-05-09
因为他还没死啊
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RicardoYedon
2021-03-09
$AerCap Holdings N.V.(AER)$
行吧,从财务数据上来说,这个企业还很便宜
RicardoYedon
2021-03-06
$特斯拉(TSLA)$
狡兔三窟终无路,不知道还会不会有反弹,但价值总是要回归的
RicardoYedon
2021-03-05
$纳斯达克(.IXIC)$
就这才哪到哪,不至于神经这么脆弱吧
RicardoYedon
2021-02-23
指的是票面价值吧
@FeiMo:
$Churchill Capital Corp IV(CCIV.U)$
“Churchill Capital Corp IV总投资约46亿美元,包括以每股15美元价格计算的25亿美元完全承诺的私人投资公共股本。根据拟定的协议,Lucid Motors现有投资者都不会出售股票,并对他们所持有的股票实行6个月的锁定期。所有收益将作为公司执行其战略和运营计划的增长资本。 ”请教下上面新闻的含义。“每股15美元”的含义是上市发行时的股价吗?
RicardoYedon
2021-02-18
$NACCO Industries Inc Cl A(NC)$
重仓纳科公司,但它的金字塔式的控股结构仍令我存疑
RicardoYedon
2021-02-03
$游戏驿站(GME)$
不知道还会不会反弹,但狡兔三窟终无路,华尔街从没有新鲜事
RicardoYedon
2020-12-14
就算不是骗局,根据已公布的基于美国会计准则的财务数据来推算,每股也就值个几块钱
浑水公司:跟谁学就是一个骗局,股价会跌至个位数
RicardoYedon
2020-12-10
这不是在说废话吗
只值90美元?摩根大通称特斯拉被严重高估,建议低配
RicardoYedon
2020-12-04
$AerCap Holdings N.V.(AER)$
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RicardoYedon
2020-11-09
$道琼斯指数主连(YMmain)$
太牛逼了
RicardoYedon
2020-11-03
$NACCO Industries Inc Cl A(NC)$
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RicardoYedon
2020-11-02
$SPDR S&P 500 Growth ETF(SPYG)$
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src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74a6be98605265e990c4d5da6cf6a6df\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>然而,这种迅猛的增长也让跟谁学遇到了强劲的挑战,为了持续提供和过去同等品质的教育服务,他们的相关支出,从师资到辅导材料都大幅度增长。唯一可以庆幸的是,这些支出220%的同比增长速度还低于净所得的增速,使得毛利润率能够实现从71.9%到74.4%的同比增长。</p><p>更加让人担心的是运营支出同比增幅达到了496%,远超过营收,导致运营亏损巨大。管理层宣称,这与销售支出,比如营销费用和销售团队的报酬增长有关。可是,换个视角来看,这其实是在竞争高度激烈的中国线上教育市场上,客户获取成本在增高。正是因为同样的原因,他们的研发支出也攀升了286%。当季调整后运营亏损为0.21亿元人民币,约合1.46亿美元,超过前一季度的1.07亿元人民币,而去年第三季度,他们一度还实现了700万人民币的盈利。</p><p><b>企业财测与市场预期</b></p><p>目前,跟谁学管理层的第四季度营收目标是在20.76亿至21.16亿元人民币之间,意味着将比2019年同期增长122%至126%。考虑到前九个月的表现,以及当下的货币汇率,华尔街认为该公司全年营收将为10.1亿美元的普遍预期与公司自己的财测是大致相符的。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b1e48eddcb2ffd3f6cefa96c7bbff66d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"306\"></p><p>展望来年,市场目前预计该公司营收2021年将增长77%,之后的2022年增长49%。这一切有一个重大的前提,这就是今年入学的新生不流失,同时明年他们还将获取新的客户。在每股盈利方面,跟谁学明年预计将继续亏损,只是具体幅度从今年的0.59美元一路缩窄至2022年的0.30美元。</p><p><b>分析与评论</b></p><p>虽然过去一年时间当中,跟谁学股价涨幅可观,但是近几个月以来,波动也极为剧烈,较之8月的141美元下得55%以上,哪怕较之10月的120美元也低了46%。换言之,虽然营收增长令人印象深刻,但是盈利,乃至于调整后运营利润率等其实都令人失望,该公司并未证明自己具备将强势运营环境转化为运营利润的能力。</p><p>长期而言,中国市场的竞争将持续激烈,而管理层想要留住优秀的师资人才,就必须付出非常可观的代价。如果他们不能用收入挽留住有限的人才,则服务品质就会下滑。虽然何一家企业而言,高增长都会伴随着挑战,但是当一家企业需要面对超过130万学生时,要保证所有人都满意,这挑战就更为巨大。在学生流失率较高的情况下,他们就必须在竞争方面更多付出,而这必然会让利润率受到更大的压迫。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3d2270f719183fc42b53ab41eb017c4a\" tg-width=\"512\" tg-height=\"326\"></p><p>中国线上教育市场今年的一个新势头是,一些新兴企业正在试图以价格战撬开市场大门。诚然,2020年肯定是一个线上教育的大年,但是具体分析,跟谁学现在其实已经摘掉了所有最低的果子,而到了明年,伴随全球疫情退却,他们想要达成现在这样的增长预期其实已经很难了。</p><p>估值方面,该股价格目前相当于过去一年销售额的18.8倍,2020年全年营收普遍预期的14.3倍,2021年普遍预期的8.1倍。无论怎么看,这增长溢价其实都已经贵过了大多数公司。跟谁学的关键之一就在于,虽然该公司是围绕一个科技平台建立起来的,但是他们需要给老师发工资,定期展开宣传活动来推动用户群增长,这也就意味着,它实质上带有鲜明的劳动力密集型和资本密集型色彩。可是,跟谁学的估值却已经可以和那些纯粹科技公司,或者是软件app公司等量齐观了,尽管后者显然更容易实现规模效应。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/14bf13ffc922f55d858586c6c304ed65\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>现在,中国线上教育市场的大玩家远不止跟谁学一家,比如最大上市公司好未市值420亿美元,远超跟谁学的150亿美元。虽然好未来今年的增速没有跟谁学这么火爆,但是该公司已经实现了盈利和正向自由现金流。还有产品和服务更广泛的新东方,也实现了盈利。此外,还有新东方在线、海亮教育等也同样是疫情的重大获益者。虽然这些玩家都专注于市场的不同领域,业务模式也不尽相同,但是中国市场竞争激烈的局面无可改变,而这就可能会转化为价格压力,让跟谁学未来增长受限。</p><p><b>最终结论</b></p><p>当前价位意味着市场对于跟谁学的增长前景判断过于乐观,而实际上下跌风险巨大。具体而言,该公司和股票的麻烦在于:</p><p>——虽然销售额和入学增长势头旺盛,但是运营亏损却在扩大。</p><p>——为支持增长所负担的成本压力巨大,包括教师薪酬、营销支出等,这将严重限制盈利潜力。</p><p>——虽然今年的表现在疫情推动下呈现强势,但是到2021年,伴随疫情结束,局面就可能反转过来。</p><p>——强势增长之下,学生数以百万计,教师也成千上万,这就使得品控和消费者满意度的管理变得极为困难。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/becc04985ddbb33452465c5ca9a971c4\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"683\"></p><p>——中国线上教育市场竞争极端激烈,若干家大玩家争夺相同的目标客户群,这就意味着价格将背负长期压力。</p><p>——在本年度现金流为负数,且2022年预计将继续亏损的情况下,跟谁学股票的市销率却很高,意味着价格已经达到了极端水平。</p><p>很可能,从下一个季度往后,市场将被迫不断调降跟谁学的各种长期增长预期,给股价造成越来越大的表现低于水准的压力。一旦他们财务前景恶化的势头变得明显,市场情绪也将急转直下,使得股价遭受到新一轮的打压。</p><p>如果跟谁学不希望看到这一幕发生,那么他们就必须能够继续维持当下高企的成长动能,同时还让市场看到运营利润改善的迹象。在这方面,投资者可以关注毛利润率和运营支出等指标,以确定是否能够找到未来盈利潜力的积极信号。</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>浑水公司:跟谁学就是一个骗局,股价会跌至个位数</title>\n<style 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GSX\">跟谁学</a>就是一个骗局。一旦审计失败,股价就会跌至个位数</b>。</p><p>跟谁学盘前下挫,现跌1.75%。</p><p>今年以来,跟谁学受到空头机构的“密集轰炸”,包括灰熊研究、香橼资本、天蝎创投,乃至大名鼎鼎的浑水都先后发布做空报告,总数达十余份,指责跟谁学存在财务表现数据造假,注册用户造假,流量刷单,乃至证券欺诈等问题,一时间跟谁学被坊间称作是被做空最多的中概股。虽然这些报告确实造成了跟谁学行情的剧烈波动,但是回望全年,该股依然涨幅惊人。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7ebbfbd674b67aacd6004c666c704886\" tg-width=\"840\" tg-height=\"470\"></p><p><b>复盘第三季度财报</b></p><p>11月20日,跟谁学发布第三季度财报称,公司当季通用会计准则(GAAP)每股ADR(美国存托凭证)亏损0.57美元,净营收19.66亿元人民币,约合2.9亿美元,同比增长253%,延续了第二季度的强势。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2e01126a6408e1b614176a925d043ec0\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"576\"></p><p>截至季度结束,跟谁学付费入学学生为125.6万人,同比增长134%,颇为强劲。在过去一年时间当中,各种疫情相关的趋势加速了线上学习需求的增长速度,使得行业迅速迎来了繁荣。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74a6be98605265e990c4d5da6cf6a6df\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>然而,这种迅猛的增长也让跟谁学遇到了强劲的挑战,为了持续提供和过去同等品质的教育服务,他们的相关支出,从师资到辅导材料都大幅度增长。唯一可以庆幸的是,这些支出220%的同比增长速度还低于净所得的增速,使得毛利润率能够实现从71.9%到74.4%的同比增长。</p><p>更加让人担心的是运营支出同比增幅达到了496%,远超过营收,导致运营亏损巨大。管理层宣称,这与销售支出,比如营销费用和销售团队的报酬增长有关。可是,换个视角来看,这其实是在竞争高度激烈的中国线上教育市场上,客户获取成本在增高。正是因为同样的原因,他们的研发支出也攀升了286%。当季调整后运营亏损为0.21亿元人民币,约合1.46亿美元,超过前一季度的1.07亿元人民币,而去年第三季度,他们一度还实现了700万人民币的盈利。</p><p><b>企业财测与市场预期</b></p><p>目前,跟谁学管理层的第四季度营收目标是在20.76亿至21.16亿元人民币之间,意味着将比2019年同期增长122%至126%。考虑到前九个月的表现,以及当下的货币汇率,华尔街认为该公司全年营收将为10.1亿美元的普遍预期与公司自己的财测是大致相符的。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b1e48eddcb2ffd3f6cefa96c7bbff66d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"306\"></p><p>展望来年,市场目前预计该公司营收2021年将增长77%,之后的2022年增长49%。这一切有一个重大的前提,这就是今年入学的新生不流失,同时明年他们还将获取新的客户。在每股盈利方面,跟谁学明年预计将继续亏损,只是具体幅度从今年的0.59美元一路缩窄至2022年的0.30美元。</p><p><b>分析与评论</b></p><p>虽然过去一年时间当中,跟谁学股价涨幅可观,但是近几个月以来,波动也极为剧烈,较之8月的141美元下得55%以上,哪怕较之10月的120美元也低了46%。换言之,虽然营收增长令人印象深刻,但是盈利,乃至于调整后运营利润率等其实都令人失望,该公司并未证明自己具备将强势运营环境转化为运营利润的能力。</p><p>长期而言,中国市场的竞争将持续激烈,而管理层想要留住优秀的师资人才,就必须付出非常可观的代价。如果他们不能用收入挽留住有限的人才,则服务品质就会下滑。虽然何一家企业而言,高增长都会伴随着挑战,但是当一家企业需要面对超过130万学生时,要保证所有人都满意,这挑战就更为巨大。在学生流失率较高的情况下,他们就必须在竞争方面更多付出,而这必然会让利润率受到更大的压迫。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3d2270f719183fc42b53ab41eb017c4a\" tg-width=\"512\" tg-height=\"326\"></p><p>中国线上教育市场今年的一个新势头是,一些新兴企业正在试图以价格战撬开市场大门。诚然,2020年肯定是一个线上教育的大年,但是具体分析,跟谁学现在其实已经摘掉了所有最低的果子,而到了明年,伴随全球疫情退却,他们想要达成现在这样的增长预期其实已经很难了。</p><p>估值方面,该股价格目前相当于过去一年销售额的18.8倍,2020年全年营收普遍预期的14.3倍,2021年普遍预期的8.1倍。无论怎么看,这增长溢价其实都已经贵过了大多数公司。跟谁学的关键之一就在于,虽然该公司是围绕一个科技平台建立起来的,但是他们需要给老师发工资,定期展开宣传活动来推动用户群增长,这也就意味着,它实质上带有鲜明的劳动力密集型和资本密集型色彩。可是,跟谁学的估值却已经可以和那些纯粹科技公司,或者是软件app公司等量齐观了,尽管后者显然更容易实现规模效应。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/14bf13ffc922f55d858586c6c304ed65\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>现在,中国线上教育市场的大玩家远不止跟谁学一家,比如最大上市公司好未市值420亿美元,远超跟谁学的150亿美元。虽然好未来今年的增速没有跟谁学这么火爆,但是该公司已经实现了盈利和正向自由现金流。还有产品和服务更广泛的新东方,也实现了盈利。此外,还有新东方在线、海亮教育等也同样是疫情的重大获益者。虽然这些玩家都专注于市场的不同领域,业务模式也不尽相同,但是中国市场竞争激烈的局面无可改变,而这就可能会转化为价格压力,让跟谁学未来增长受限。</p><p><b>最终结论</b></p><p>当前价位意味着市场对于跟谁学的增长前景判断过于乐观,而实际上下跌风险巨大。具体而言,该公司和股票的麻烦在于:</p><p>——虽然销售额和入学增长势头旺盛,但是运营亏损却在扩大。</p><p>——为支持增长所负担的成本压力巨大,包括教师薪酬、营销支出等,这将严重限制盈利潜力。</p><p>——虽然今年的表现在疫情推动下呈现强势,但是到2021年,伴随疫情结束,局面就可能反转过来。</p><p>——强势增长之下,学生数以百万计,教师也成千上万,这就使得品控和消费者满意度的管理变得极为困难。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/becc04985ddbb33452465c5ca9a971c4\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"683\"></p><p>——中国线上教育市场竞争极端激烈,若干家大玩家争夺相同的目标客户群,这就意味着价格将背负长期压力。</p><p>——在本年度现金流为负数,且2022年预计将继续亏损的情况下,跟谁学股票的市销率却很高,意味着价格已经达到了极端水平。</p><p>很可能,从下一个季度往后,市场将被迫不断调降跟谁学的各种长期增长预期,给股价造成越来越大的表现低于水准的压力。一旦他们财务前景恶化的势头变得明显,市场情绪也将急转直下,使得股价遭受到新一轮的打压。</p><p>如果跟谁学不希望看到这一幕发生,那么他们就必须能够继续维持当下高企的成长动能,同时还让市场看到运营利润改善的迹象。在这方面,投资者可以关注毛利润率和运营支出等指标,以确定是否能够找到未来盈利潜力的积极信号。</p>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f49cfbbad938b58f9d764c4f5e672e9","relate_stocks":{},"is_english":false,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1104367018","content_text":"12月14日消息,知名做空机构浑水公司最新表示:跟谁学就是一个骗局。一旦审计失败,股价就会跌至个位数。跟谁学盘前下挫,现跌1.75%。今年以来,跟谁学受到空头机构的“密集轰炸”,包括灰熊研究、香橼资本、天蝎创投,乃至大名鼎鼎的浑水都先后发布做空报告,总数达十余份,指责跟谁学存在财务表现数据造假,注册用户造假,流量刷单,乃至证券欺诈等问题,一时间跟谁学被坊间称作是被做空最多的中概股。虽然这些报告确实造成了跟谁学行情的剧烈波动,但是回望全年,该股依然涨幅惊人。复盘第三季度财报11月20日,跟谁学发布第三季度财报称,公司当季通用会计准则(GAAP)每股ADR(美国存托凭证)亏损0.57美元,净营收19.66亿元人民币,约合2.9亿美元,同比增长253%,延续了第二季度的强势。截至季度结束,跟谁学付费入学学生为125.6万人,同比增长134%,颇为强劲。在过去一年时间当中,各种疫情相关的趋势加速了线上学习需求的增长速度,使得行业迅速迎来了繁荣。然而,这种迅猛的增长也让跟谁学遇到了强劲的挑战,为了持续提供和过去同等品质的教育服务,他们的相关支出,从师资到辅导材料都大幅度增长。唯一可以庆幸的是,这些支出220%的同比增长速度还低于净所得的增速,使得毛利润率能够实现从71.9%到74.4%的同比增长。更加让人担心的是运营支出同比增幅达到了496%,远超过营收,导致运营亏损巨大。管理层宣称,这与销售支出,比如营销费用和销售团队的报酬增长有关。可是,换个视角来看,这其实是在竞争高度激烈的中国线上教育市场上,客户获取成本在增高。正是因为同样的原因,他们的研发支出也攀升了286%。当季调整后运营亏损为0.21亿元人民币,约合1.46亿美元,超过前一季度的1.07亿元人民币,而去年第三季度,他们一度还实现了700万人民币的盈利。企业财测与市场预期目前,跟谁学管理层的第四季度营收目标是在20.76亿至21.16亿元人民币之间,意味着将比2019年同期增长122%至126%。考虑到前九个月的表现,以及当下的货币汇率,华尔街认为该公司全年营收将为10.1亿美元的普遍预期与公司自己的财测是大致相符的。展望来年,市场目前预计该公司营收2021年将增长77%,之后的2022年增长49%。这一切有一个重大的前提,这就是今年入学的新生不流失,同时明年他们还将获取新的客户。在每股盈利方面,跟谁学明年预计将继续亏损,只是具体幅度从今年的0.59美元一路缩窄至2022年的0.30美元。分析与评论虽然过去一年时间当中,跟谁学股价涨幅可观,但是近几个月以来,波动也极为剧烈,较之8月的141美元下得55%以上,哪怕较之10月的120美元也低了46%。换言之,虽然营收增长令人印象深刻,但是盈利,乃至于调整后运营利润率等其实都令人失望,该公司并未证明自己具备将强势运营环境转化为运营利润的能力。长期而言,中国市场的竞争将持续激烈,而管理层想要留住优秀的师资人才,就必须付出非常可观的代价。如果他们不能用收入挽留住有限的人才,则服务品质就会下滑。虽然何一家企业而言,高增长都会伴随着挑战,但是当一家企业需要面对超过130万学生时,要保证所有人都满意,这挑战就更为巨大。在学生流失率较高的情况下,他们就必须在竞争方面更多付出,而这必然会让利润率受到更大的压迫。中国线上教育市场今年的一个新势头是,一些新兴企业正在试图以价格战撬开市场大门。诚然,2020年肯定是一个线上教育的大年,但是具体分析,跟谁学现在其实已经摘掉了所有最低的果子,而到了明年,伴随全球疫情退却,他们想要达成现在这样的增长预期其实已经很难了。估值方面,该股价格目前相当于过去一年销售额的18.8倍,2020年全年营收普遍预期的14.3倍,2021年普遍预期的8.1倍。无论怎么看,这增长溢价其实都已经贵过了大多数公司。跟谁学的关键之一就在于,虽然该公司是围绕一个科技平台建立起来的,但是他们需要给老师发工资,定期展开宣传活动来推动用户群增长,这也就意味着,它实质上带有鲜明的劳动力密集型和资本密集型色彩。可是,跟谁学的估值却已经可以和那些纯粹科技公司,或者是软件app公司等量齐观了,尽管后者显然更容易实现规模效应。现在,中国线上教育市场的大玩家远不止跟谁学一家,比如最大上市公司好未市值420亿美元,远超跟谁学的150亿美元。虽然好未来今年的增速没有跟谁学这么火爆,但是该公司已经实现了盈利和正向自由现金流。还有产品和服务更广泛的新东方,也实现了盈利。此外,还有新东方在线、海亮教育等也同样是疫情的重大获益者。虽然这些玩家都专注于市场的不同领域,业务模式也不尽相同,但是中国市场竞争激烈的局面无可改变,而这就可能会转化为价格压力,让跟谁学未来增长受限。最终结论当前价位意味着市场对于跟谁学的增长前景判断过于乐观,而实际上下跌风险巨大。具体而言,该公司和股票的麻烦在于:——虽然销售额和入学增长势头旺盛,但是运营亏损却在扩大。——为支持增长所负担的成本压力巨大,包括教师薪酬、营销支出等,这将严重限制盈利潜力。——虽然今年的表现在疫情推动下呈现强势,但是到2021年,伴随疫情结束,局面就可能反转过来。——强势增长之下,学生数以百万计,教师也成千上万,这就使得品控和消费者满意度的管理变得极为困难。——中国线上教育市场竞争极端激烈,若干家大玩家争夺相同的目标客户群,这就意味着价格将背负长期压力。——在本年度现金流为负数,且2022年预计将继续亏损的情况下,跟谁学股票的市销率却很高,意味着价格已经达到了极端水平。很可能,从下一个季度往后,市场将被迫不断调降跟谁学的各种长期增长预期,给股价造成越来越大的表现低于水准的压力。一旦他们财务前景恶化的势头变得明显,市场情绪也将急转直下,使得股价遭受到新一轮的打压。如果跟谁学不希望看到这一幕发生,那么他们就必须能够继续维持当下高企的成长动能,同时还让市场看到运营利润改善的迹象。在这方面,投资者可以关注毛利润率和运营支出等指标,以确定是否能够找到未来盈利潜力的积极信号。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2362,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[{"author":{"id":"3474501447141386","authorId":"3474501447141386","name":"主宰金钱","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3474501447141386","authorIdStr":"3474501447141386"},"content":"股价貌似有投资投资者的美元说了算","text":"股价貌似有投资投资者的美元说了算","html":"股价貌似有投资投资者的美元说了算"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":395143847,"gmtCreate":1607611314989,"gmtModify":1703849044937,"author":{"id":"3549001260752923","authorId":"3549001260752923","name":"RicardoYedon","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2150a2a0804d778a4c71dbe181b3e7cd","crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3549001260752923","authorIdStr":"3549001260752923"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"这不是在说废话吗","listText":"这不是在说废话吗","text":"这不是在说废话吗","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/395143847","repostId":"1127349447","repostType":2,"repost":{"id":"1127349447","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1607523512,"share":"https://www.laohu8.com/m/news/1127349447?lang=&edition=full","pubTime":"2020-12-09 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tg-height=\"409\"></p>\n<p>摩根大通表示,目前基本上所有的估值指标都暗示特斯拉被严重高估:按照市场对于公司未来12个月盈利预期计算,<b>公司目前市盈率高达175x</b>,而公司所处汽车行业中,宝马、戴姆勒和丰田等行业龙头公司的估值仅为14x、10x和16x。</p>\n<p>自2018年12月8日以来,特斯拉的股价已经上涨了808%,华尔街分析师对于公司的目标价格相应的也增长了451%,但与此同时,分析师普遍下调了对于公司2020—2024年的盈利预期。<b>这种盈利与股价的巨大差距暗示特斯拉本轮的上涨是由某些基本面之外的因素(投机?)所驱动。</b></p>\n<p>摩根大通指出,特斯拉今年业绩超预期很大程度上得益于公司环保积分的销售,<b>但这与电动车的长期销售驱动因素无关</b>:多个国家已暗示将在2035年禁售新的内燃动力汽车,届时环比积分销售对车企影响将明显减弱(传统车企在这之前就必须完成转型)。</p>\n<p>在基本面估值上,特斯拉目前的市值为6160亿美元,几乎是丰田和大众3190亿美元总市值的两倍(193%)。</p>\n<p>作为全球汽车巨头,丰田和大众2019年全年汽车销量达到销售2180万辆车辆,同时产生402亿美元的税前利润,这与特斯拉40万的电动车年产量和8亿美元的税前利润(包括大量补贴)有着天壤之别。</p>\n<p>摩根大通指出,目前特斯拉市价背后所反映的乐观情绪同样让不安。市场对于特斯拉总销量接近丰田和大众的总和,利润率却能达到后者2倍的未来假设过于乐观,<b>这显然忽视了公司所面临的具体执行风险和新进入者的竞争压力</b>。除非公司在其他多个领域(诸如太阳能、火箭等)出现重大突破,目前公司的高估值显然不可持续。</p>","source":"highlight_wallstreetcn","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" 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href=https://wallstreetcn.com/articles/3612991><strong>华尔街见闻</strong></a>\n\n\n</h4>\n\n</header>\n<article>\n<div>\n<p>摩根大通认为,无论从何种估值角度,特斯拉目前的股价都严重高估。其给予特斯拉低配评级,目标价格90美元,这较公司目前649美元的市场价格有86%的下跌空间。\n\n摩根大通表示,目前基本上所有的估值指标都暗示特斯拉被严重高估:按照市场对于公司未来12个月盈利预期计算,公司目前市盈率高达175x,而公司所处汽车行业中,宝马、戴姆勒和丰田等行业龙头公司的估值仅为14x、10x和16x。\n自2018年12月8...</p>\n\n<a href=\"https://wallstreetcn.com/articles/3612991\">Web 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src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74a6be98605265e990c4d5da6cf6a6df\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>然而,这种迅猛的增长也让跟谁学遇到了强劲的挑战,为了持续提供和过去同等品质的教育服务,他们的相关支出,从师资到辅导材料都大幅度增长。唯一可以庆幸的是,这些支出220%的同比增长速度还低于净所得的增速,使得毛利润率能够实现从71.9%到74.4%的同比增长。</p><p>更加让人担心的是运营支出同比增幅达到了496%,远超过营收,导致运营亏损巨大。管理层宣称,这与销售支出,比如营销费用和销售团队的报酬增长有关。可是,换个视角来看,这其实是在竞争高度激烈的中国线上教育市场上,客户获取成本在增高。正是因为同样的原因,他们的研发支出也攀升了286%。当季调整后运营亏损为0.21亿元人民币,约合1.46亿美元,超过前一季度的1.07亿元人民币,而去年第三季度,他们一度还实现了700万人民币的盈利。</p><p><b>企业财测与市场预期</b></p><p>目前,跟谁学管理层的第四季度营收目标是在20.76亿至21.16亿元人民币之间,意味着将比2019年同期增长122%至126%。考虑到前九个月的表现,以及当下的货币汇率,华尔街认为该公司全年营收将为10.1亿美元的普遍预期与公司自己的财测是大致相符的。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b1e48eddcb2ffd3f6cefa96c7bbff66d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"306\"></p><p>展望来年,市场目前预计该公司营收2021年将增长77%,之后的2022年增长49%。这一切有一个重大的前提,这就是今年入学的新生不流失,同时明年他们还将获取新的客户。在每股盈利方面,跟谁学明年预计将继续亏损,只是具体幅度从今年的0.59美元一路缩窄至2022年的0.30美元。</p><p><b>分析与评论</b></p><p>虽然过去一年时间当中,跟谁学股价涨幅可观,但是近几个月以来,波动也极为剧烈,较之8月的141美元下得55%以上,哪怕较之10月的120美元也低了46%。换言之,虽然营收增长令人印象深刻,但是盈利,乃至于调整后运营利润率等其实都令人失望,该公司并未证明自己具备将强势运营环境转化为运营利润的能力。</p><p>长期而言,中国市场的竞争将持续激烈,而管理层想要留住优秀的师资人才,就必须付出非常可观的代价。如果他们不能用收入挽留住有限的人才,则服务品质就会下滑。虽然何一家企业而言,高增长都会伴随着挑战,但是当一家企业需要面对超过130万学生时,要保证所有人都满意,这挑战就更为巨大。在学生流失率较高的情况下,他们就必须在竞争方面更多付出,而这必然会让利润率受到更大的压迫。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3d2270f719183fc42b53ab41eb017c4a\" tg-width=\"512\" tg-height=\"326\"></p><p>中国线上教育市场今年的一个新势头是,一些新兴企业正在试图以价格战撬开市场大门。诚然,2020年肯定是一个线上教育的大年,但是具体分析,跟谁学现在其实已经摘掉了所有最低的果子,而到了明年,伴随全球疫情退却,他们想要达成现在这样的增长预期其实已经很难了。</p><p>估值方面,该股价格目前相当于过去一年销售额的18.8倍,2020年全年营收普遍预期的14.3倍,2021年普遍预期的8.1倍。无论怎么看,这增长溢价其实都已经贵过了大多数公司。跟谁学的关键之一就在于,虽然该公司是围绕一个科技平台建立起来的,但是他们需要给老师发工资,定期展开宣传活动来推动用户群增长,这也就意味着,它实质上带有鲜明的劳动力密集型和资本密集型色彩。可是,跟谁学的估值却已经可以和那些纯粹科技公司,或者是软件app公司等量齐观了,尽管后者显然更容易实现规模效应。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/14bf13ffc922f55d858586c6c304ed65\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>现在,中国线上教育市场的大玩家远不止跟谁学一家,比如最大上市公司好未市值420亿美元,远超跟谁学的150亿美元。虽然好未来今年的增速没有跟谁学这么火爆,但是该公司已经实现了盈利和正向自由现金流。还有产品和服务更广泛的新东方,也实现了盈利。此外,还有新东方在线、海亮教育等也同样是疫情的重大获益者。虽然这些玩家都专注于市场的不同领域,业务模式也不尽相同,但是中国市场竞争激烈的局面无可改变,而这就可能会转化为价格压力,让跟谁学未来增长受限。</p><p><b>最终结论</b></p><p>当前价位意味着市场对于跟谁学的增长前景判断过于乐观,而实际上下跌风险巨大。具体而言,该公司和股票的麻烦在于:</p><p>——虽然销售额和入学增长势头旺盛,但是运营亏损却在扩大。</p><p>——为支持增长所负担的成本压力巨大,包括教师薪酬、营销支出等,这将严重限制盈利潜力。</p><p>——虽然今年的表现在疫情推动下呈现强势,但是到2021年,伴随疫情结束,局面就可能反转过来。</p><p>——强势增长之下,学生数以百万计,教师也成千上万,这就使得品控和消费者满意度的管理变得极为困难。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/becc04985ddbb33452465c5ca9a971c4\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"683\"></p><p>——中国线上教育市场竞争极端激烈,若干家大玩家争夺相同的目标客户群,这就意味着价格将背负长期压力。</p><p>——在本年度现金流为负数,且2022年预计将继续亏损的情况下,跟谁学股票的市销率却很高,意味着价格已经达到了极端水平。</p><p>很可能,从下一个季度往后,市场将被迫不断调降跟谁学的各种长期增长预期,给股价造成越来越大的表现低于水准的压力。一旦他们财务前景恶化的势头变得明显,市场情绪也将急转直下,使得股价遭受到新一轮的打压。</p><p>如果跟谁学不希望看到这一幕发生,那么他们就必须能够继续维持当下高企的成长动能,同时还让市场看到运营利润改善的迹象。在这方面,投资者可以关注毛利润率和运营支出等指标,以确定是否能够找到未来盈利潜力的积极信号。</p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>浑水公司:跟谁学就是一个骗局,股价会跌至个位数</title>\n<style 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/GSX\">跟谁学</a>就是一个骗局。一旦审计失败,股价就会跌至个位数</b>。</p><p>跟谁学盘前下挫,现跌1.75%。</p><p>今年以来,跟谁学受到空头机构的“密集轰炸”,包括灰熊研究、香橼资本、天蝎创投,乃至大名鼎鼎的浑水都先后发布做空报告,总数达十余份,指责跟谁学存在财务表现数据造假,注册用户造假,流量刷单,乃至证券欺诈等问题,一时间跟谁学被坊间称作是被做空最多的中概股。虽然这些报告确实造成了跟谁学行情的剧烈波动,但是回望全年,该股依然涨幅惊人。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7ebbfbd674b67aacd6004c666c704886\" tg-width=\"840\" tg-height=\"470\"></p><p><b>复盘第三季度财报</b></p><p>11月20日,跟谁学发布第三季度财报称,公司当季通用会计准则(GAAP)每股ADR(美国存托凭证)亏损0.57美元,净营收19.66亿元人民币,约合2.9亿美元,同比增长253%,延续了第二季度的强势。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2e01126a6408e1b614176a925d043ec0\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"576\"></p><p>截至季度结束,跟谁学付费入学学生为125.6万人,同比增长134%,颇为强劲。在过去一年时间当中,各种疫情相关的趋势加速了线上学习需求的增长速度,使得行业迅速迎来了繁荣。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/74a6be98605265e990c4d5da6cf6a6df\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>然而,这种迅猛的增长也让跟谁学遇到了强劲的挑战,为了持续提供和过去同等品质的教育服务,他们的相关支出,从师资到辅导材料都大幅度增长。唯一可以庆幸的是,这些支出220%的同比增长速度还低于净所得的增速,使得毛利润率能够实现从71.9%到74.4%的同比增长。</p><p>更加让人担心的是运营支出同比增幅达到了496%,远超过营收,导致运营亏损巨大。管理层宣称,这与销售支出,比如营销费用和销售团队的报酬增长有关。可是,换个视角来看,这其实是在竞争高度激烈的中国线上教育市场上,客户获取成本在增高。正是因为同样的原因,他们的研发支出也攀升了286%。当季调整后运营亏损为0.21亿元人民币,约合1.46亿美元,超过前一季度的1.07亿元人民币,而去年第三季度,他们一度还实现了700万人民币的盈利。</p><p><b>企业财测与市场预期</b></p><p>目前,跟谁学管理层的第四季度营收目标是在20.76亿至21.16亿元人民币之间,意味着将比2019年同期增长122%至126%。考虑到前九个月的表现,以及当下的货币汇率,华尔街认为该公司全年营收将为10.1亿美元的普遍预期与公司自己的财测是大致相符的。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b1e48eddcb2ffd3f6cefa96c7bbff66d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"306\"></p><p>展望来年,市场目前预计该公司营收2021年将增长77%,之后的2022年增长49%。这一切有一个重大的前提,这就是今年入学的新生不流失,同时明年他们还将获取新的客户。在每股盈利方面,跟谁学明年预计将继续亏损,只是具体幅度从今年的0.59美元一路缩窄至2022年的0.30美元。</p><p><b>分析与评论</b></p><p>虽然过去一年时间当中,跟谁学股价涨幅可观,但是近几个月以来,波动也极为剧烈,较之8月的141美元下得55%以上,哪怕较之10月的120美元也低了46%。换言之,虽然营收增长令人印象深刻,但是盈利,乃至于调整后运营利润率等其实都令人失望,该公司并未证明自己具备将强势运营环境转化为运营利润的能力。</p><p>长期而言,中国市场的竞争将持续激烈,而管理层想要留住优秀的师资人才,就必须付出非常可观的代价。如果他们不能用收入挽留住有限的人才,则服务品质就会下滑。虽然何一家企业而言,高增长都会伴随着挑战,但是当一家企业需要面对超过130万学生时,要保证所有人都满意,这挑战就更为巨大。在学生流失率较高的情况下,他们就必须在竞争方面更多付出,而这必然会让利润率受到更大的压迫。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/3d2270f719183fc42b53ab41eb017c4a\" tg-width=\"512\" tg-height=\"326\"></p><p>中国线上教育市场今年的一个新势头是,一些新兴企业正在试图以价格战撬开市场大门。诚然,2020年肯定是一个线上教育的大年,但是具体分析,跟谁学现在其实已经摘掉了所有最低的果子,而到了明年,伴随全球疫情退却,他们想要达成现在这样的增长预期其实已经很难了。</p><p>估值方面,该股价格目前相当于过去一年销售额的18.8倍,2020年全年营收普遍预期的14.3倍,2021年普遍预期的8.1倍。无论怎么看,这增长溢价其实都已经贵过了大多数公司。跟谁学的关键之一就在于,虽然该公司是围绕一个科技平台建立起来的,但是他们需要给老师发工资,定期展开宣传活动来推动用户群增长,这也就意味着,它实质上带有鲜明的劳动力密集型和资本密集型色彩。可是,跟谁学的估值却已经可以和那些纯粹科技公司,或者是软件app公司等量齐观了,尽管后者显然更容易实现规模效应。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/14bf13ffc922f55d858586c6c304ed65\" tg-width=\"635\" tg-height=\"368\"></p><p>现在,中国线上教育市场的大玩家远不止跟谁学一家,比如最大上市公司好未市值420亿美元,远超跟谁学的150亿美元。虽然好未来今年的增速没有跟谁学这么火爆,但是该公司已经实现了盈利和正向自由现金流。还有产品和服务更广泛的新东方,也实现了盈利。此外,还有新东方在线、海亮教育等也同样是疫情的重大获益者。虽然这些玩家都专注于市场的不同领域,业务模式也不尽相同,但是中国市场竞争激烈的局面无可改变,而这就可能会转化为价格压力,让跟谁学未来增长受限。</p><p><b>最终结论</b></p><p>当前价位意味着市场对于跟谁学的增长前景判断过于乐观,而实际上下跌风险巨大。具体而言,该公司和股票的麻烦在于:</p><p>——虽然销售额和入学增长势头旺盛,但是运营亏损却在扩大。</p><p>——为支持增长所负担的成本压力巨大,包括教师薪酬、营销支出等,这将严重限制盈利潜力。</p><p>——虽然今年的表现在疫情推动下呈现强势,但是到2021年,伴随疫情结束,局面就可能反转过来。</p><p>——强势增长之下,学生数以百万计,教师也成千上万,这就使得品控和消费者满意度的管理变得极为困难。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/becc04985ddbb33452465c5ca9a971c4\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"683\"></p><p>——中国线上教育市场竞争极端激烈,若干家大玩家争夺相同的目标客户群,这就意味着价格将背负长期压力。</p><p>——在本年度现金流为负数,且2022年预计将继续亏损的情况下,跟谁学股票的市销率却很高,意味着价格已经达到了极端水平。</p><p>很可能,从下一个季度往后,市场将被迫不断调降跟谁学的各种长期增长预期,给股价造成越来越大的表现低于水准的压力。一旦他们财务前景恶化的势头变得明显,市场情绪也将急转直下,使得股价遭受到新一轮的打压。</p><p>如果跟谁学不希望看到这一幕发生,那么他们就必须能够继续维持当下高企的成长动能,同时还让市场看到运营利润改善的迹象。在这方面,投资者可以关注毛利润率和运营支出等指标,以确定是否能够找到未来盈利潜力的积极信号。</p>\n\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1f49cfbbad938b58f9d764c4f5e672e9","relate_stocks":{},"is_english":false,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1104367018","content_text":"12月14日消息,知名做空机构浑水公司最新表示:跟谁学就是一个骗局。一旦审计失败,股价就会跌至个位数。跟谁学盘前下挫,现跌1.75%。今年以来,跟谁学受到空头机构的“密集轰炸”,包括灰熊研究、香橼资本、天蝎创投,乃至大名鼎鼎的浑水都先后发布做空报告,总数达十余份,指责跟谁学存在财务表现数据造假,注册用户造假,流量刷单,乃至证券欺诈等问题,一时间跟谁学被坊间称作是被做空最多的中概股。虽然这些报告确实造成了跟谁学行情的剧烈波动,但是回望全年,该股依然涨幅惊人。复盘第三季度财报11月20日,跟谁学发布第三季度财报称,公司当季通用会计准则(GAAP)每股ADR(美国存托凭证)亏损0.57美元,净营收19.66亿元人民币,约合2.9亿美元,同比增长253%,延续了第二季度的强势。截至季度结束,跟谁学付费入学学生为125.6万人,同比增长134%,颇为强劲。在过去一年时间当中,各种疫情相关的趋势加速了线上学习需求的增长速度,使得行业迅速迎来了繁荣。然而,这种迅猛的增长也让跟谁学遇到了强劲的挑战,为了持续提供和过去同等品质的教育服务,他们的相关支出,从师资到辅导材料都大幅度增长。唯一可以庆幸的是,这些支出220%的同比增长速度还低于净所得的增速,使得毛利润率能够实现从71.9%到74.4%的同比增长。更加让人担心的是运营支出同比增幅达到了496%,远超过营收,导致运营亏损巨大。管理层宣称,这与销售支出,比如营销费用和销售团队的报酬增长有关。可是,换个视角来看,这其实是在竞争高度激烈的中国线上教育市场上,客户获取成本在增高。正是因为同样的原因,他们的研发支出也攀升了286%。当季调整后运营亏损为0.21亿元人民币,约合1.46亿美元,超过前一季度的1.07亿元人民币,而去年第三季度,他们一度还实现了700万人民币的盈利。企业财测与市场预期目前,跟谁学管理层的第四季度营收目标是在20.76亿至21.16亿元人民币之间,意味着将比2019年同期增长122%至126%。考虑到前九个月的表现,以及当下的货币汇率,华尔街认为该公司全年营收将为10.1亿美元的普遍预期与公司自己的财测是大致相符的。展望来年,市场目前预计该公司营收2021年将增长77%,之后的2022年增长49%。这一切有一个重大的前提,这就是今年入学的新生不流失,同时明年他们还将获取新的客户。在每股盈利方面,跟谁学明年预计将继续亏损,只是具体幅度从今年的0.59美元一路缩窄至2022年的0.30美元。分析与评论虽然过去一年时间当中,跟谁学股价涨幅可观,但是近几个月以来,波动也极为剧烈,较之8月的141美元下得55%以上,哪怕较之10月的120美元也低了46%。换言之,虽然营收增长令人印象深刻,但是盈利,乃至于调整后运营利润率等其实都令人失望,该公司并未证明自己具备将强势运营环境转化为运营利润的能力。长期而言,中国市场的竞争将持续激烈,而管理层想要留住优秀的师资人才,就必须付出非常可观的代价。如果他们不能用收入挽留住有限的人才,则服务品质就会下滑。虽然何一家企业而言,高增长都会伴随着挑战,但是当一家企业需要面对超过130万学生时,要保证所有人都满意,这挑战就更为巨大。在学生流失率较高的情况下,他们就必须在竞争方面更多付出,而这必然会让利润率受到更大的压迫。中国线上教育市场今年的一个新势头是,一些新兴企业正在试图以价格战撬开市场大门。诚然,2020年肯定是一个线上教育的大年,但是具体分析,跟谁学现在其实已经摘掉了所有最低的果子,而到了明年,伴随全球疫情退却,他们想要达成现在这样的增长预期其实已经很难了。估值方面,该股价格目前相当于过去一年销售额的18.8倍,2020年全年营收普遍预期的14.3倍,2021年普遍预期的8.1倍。无论怎么看,这增长溢价其实都已经贵过了大多数公司。跟谁学的关键之一就在于,虽然该公司是围绕一个科技平台建立起来的,但是他们需要给老师发工资,定期展开宣传活动来推动用户群增长,这也就意味着,它实质上带有鲜明的劳动力密集型和资本密集型色彩。可是,跟谁学的估值却已经可以和那些纯粹科技公司,或者是软件app公司等量齐观了,尽管后者显然更容易实现规模效应。现在,中国线上教育市场的大玩家远不止跟谁学一家,比如最大上市公司好未市值420亿美元,远超跟谁学的150亿美元。虽然好未来今年的增速没有跟谁学这么火爆,但是该公司已经实现了盈利和正向自由现金流。还有产品和服务更广泛的新东方,也实现了盈利。此外,还有新东方在线、海亮教育等也同样是疫情的重大获益者。虽然这些玩家都专注于市场的不同领域,业务模式也不尽相同,但是中国市场竞争激烈的局面无可改变,而这就可能会转化为价格压力,让跟谁学未来增长受限。最终结论当前价位意味着市场对于跟谁学的增长前景判断过于乐观,而实际上下跌风险巨大。具体而言,该公司和股票的麻烦在于:——虽然销售额和入学增长势头旺盛,但是运营亏损却在扩大。——为支持增长所负担的成本压力巨大,包括教师薪酬、营销支出等,这将严重限制盈利潜力。——虽然今年的表现在疫情推动下呈现强势,但是到2021年,伴随疫情结束,局面就可能反转过来。——强势增长之下,学生数以百万计,教师也成千上万,这就使得品控和消费者满意度的管理变得极为困难。——中国线上教育市场竞争极端激烈,若干家大玩家争夺相同的目标客户群,这就意味着价格将背负长期压力。——在本年度现金流为负数,且2022年预计将继续亏损的情况下,跟谁学股票的市销率却很高,意味着价格已经达到了极端水平。很可能,从下一个季度往后,市场将被迫不断调降跟谁学的各种长期增长预期,给股价造成越来越大的表现低于水准的压力。一旦他们财务前景恶化的势头变得明显,市场情绪也将急转直下,使得股价遭受到新一轮的打压。如果跟谁学不希望看到这一幕发生,那么他们就必须能够继续维持当下高企的成长动能,同时还让市场看到运营利润改善的迹象。在这方面,投资者可以关注毛利润率和运营支出等指标,以确定是否能够找到未来盈利潜力的积极信号。","news_type":1},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2362,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[{"author":{"id":"3474501447141386","authorId":"3474501447141386","name":"主宰金钱","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"idStr":"3474501447141386","authorIdStr":"3474501447141386"},"content":"股价貌似有投资投资者的美元说了算","text":"股价貌似有投资投资者的美元说了算","html":"股价貌似有投资投资者的美元说了算"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":367330819,"gmtCreate":1614908873731,"gmtModify":1703482821107,"author":{"id":"3549001260752923","authorId":"3549001260752923","name":"RicardoYedon","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2150a2a0804d778a4c71dbe181b3e7cd","crmLevel":3,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3549001260752923","authorIdStr":"3549001260752923"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a 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