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Johnston)说：“从税收的角度来看，让他把这些收入用于缴纳期权税没有任何意义。”\n马斯克自己承认，普通股的税收效率低于出售期权股票。他周日在社交媒体上写道:“细心的观察人士会注意到，我的(低基数)股票出售率明显高于100亿(高基数)期权行权率，因此更接近于税收最大化，而不是最小化。”\n那么，既然马斯克的税收成本相对较高，他为什么还要出售非期权股票呢？税务专家和特斯拉分析师表示，他仍将在8月之前行使这些期权，因为如果期权到期，即使在缴纳税款之后，也会有数十亿美元的资金和更多股票剩余。这意味着，他仍然有数十亿的股票可以行使，还有数十亿的股票可以出售来支付税款。\n这57亿美元以及他出售的其他非期权股票都是直接套现。虽然他确实需要为这些销售支付联邦资本利得税，但他可能不必为这些收益支付州税，因为他现在很可能是得克萨斯州的纳税居民。不过，同样的规则并不适用于他的期权税，因为期权被视为员工福利，是他在加州时获得的。\n会计师们说，这笔交易所得不太可能用于慈善事业，因为他只会捐赠升值的股票，而不是出售股票并首先缴纳资本利得税然后再捐赠现金。马斯克可能会将所得用于自己的私人太空公司SpaceX，或其他私人企业。或者，他可能只是想在多年来股票充裕、现金匮乏的情况下收回投资，利用这笔钱来支撑自己的生活。此外，联邦税率明年也可能会增加，如果他已经在考虑套现，这就增加了他额外售股的动机。\n不管出于什么原因，马斯克最终的销售额很可能远远超过他所需缴纳的100亿至150亿美元税款。11月6日，他在社交媒体上发起民调，询问粉丝其是否应该出售10%的特斯拉股票，并说他会遵重调查结果。在投票中，58%的受访者表示，他应该出售股票，这意味着总销售额将超过200亿美元。\n约翰斯顿说:“对马斯克这个级别的人来说，税收并不总是他们投资决策的主要驱动力。我们仍然觉得这个谜题缺少了一块我们可能不知道的东西。”","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"TSLA":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2191,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":873553456,"gmtCreate":1636966413101,"gmtModify":1636966413172,"author":{"id":"3579321927017159","authorId":"3579321927017159","name":"bebear","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2b44d8c9bd956a2d721d8765aea45ff9","crmLevel":12,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3579321927017159","idStr":"3579321927017159"},"themes":[],"htmlText":"<a 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