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tg-height=\"682\"/></p><p>GPT的预训练，或许在GPT-4o之后触及了天花板，由此也解释了GPT-5性能未达业界预期的关键原因。</p><p>有网友表示，那不正是Ilya离开的时候吗.....</p><p>恰在昨天，Ilya最新发文称，Scaling不会停，但某个重要的东西仍然会缺失。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7332362c7b866ea1b461ba37aa58e2b9\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"153\"/></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4a4cc533e69b244512a4aa8458b68b1b\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"420\"/></p><p><strong>OpenAI预训练，大溃败</strong></p><p>还记得去年底，那场铺天盖地的“Orion”传闻吗？</p><p>这一秘密项目，原定以GPT-5面世，但因训练未达预期，最终被降级为GPT-4.5发布。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0a7e9650c9b0c237429ef77db04b2410\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"350\"/></p><p>在前沿模型预训练上，OpenAI的研发似乎陷入了僵局——</p><p>如今第五代旗舰模型GPT-5，包括最新GPT-5.1，其“技术根基”本质或仍未突破GPT-4o的范畴。</p><p>SemiAnalysis去年底一篇文章，曾对外公开了Orion训练的困境。</p><p>当前，算法的进步使得模型每年所需的物理计算量减少约三分之一，因此，训练运行时间很少超过3个月。</p><p>甚至，行业中大多数预训练通常仅需要1-2个月。</p><p>然而，OpenAI的Orion大规模预训练，却打破了这一常规，其训练时间超过了3个月。</p><p>另据Information同一时间爆出，Orion不会像前代实现巨大的飞跃，相较于从GPT-3到GPT-4的迭代，改进幅度要小得多。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1286f5442a0b9b02f8d2b0c7628caa7f\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"306\"/></p><p>不仅如此，Orion性能提升也基本局限在——语言能力上，其代码能力甚至不如旧模型，且成本更高。</p><p>如今再回看2月，GPT-4.5的诞生，基于代号Orion的模型，OpenAI追求的是：</p><p>更强的语言能力+更稳的对话体验+更大知识库</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4db88e04bca5ddff4684dcf0281db961\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"862\" tg-height=\"190\"/></p><p>情商，成为了GPT-4.5的关键词。代码虽有提升，但并非主菜。</p><p>这一切的一切，从侧面印证了，此前外媒关于“Orion遇挫”爆料的准确性——</p><p><strong>LLM有提升，但不大。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6921884c3cb5ce3f00bafde300764e6c\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"660\"/></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a5b88a4b3e7a3c48111d7ed25362dabf\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"292\" tg-height=\"73\"/></p><p><strong>GPT-4o，成Scaling主线？</strong></p><p>今年8月，GPT-5的那场发布，奥特曼将其定调为“博士级AI，是通往AGI又一里程碑”。</p><p>实则，业界对于GPT-5的反响，唏嘘一片。</p><p>大家原本以为，GPT-5会是全面超越前代的一次飞跃，但实际发布后，更像是GPT-4.5的进一步优化版，不是“颠覆版”。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/877c420235c2765936cefa6b68976418\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"261\"/></p><p>但至于GPT-5真正基于哪一款GPT打造，还有待证实。</p><p>正如之前传闻的猜测，有可能是GPT-4o，还有<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/RDDT\">Reddit</a>网友称是GPT-4.1....</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/519913614c83d5cfd2e45812c5779712\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"310\"/></p><p>但不论是哪一款，都证明了GPT-5，没有在全新前沿模型的大规模预训练上淬炼。</p><p>搞笑的，那个曾将OpenAI三颗????????????“焊在”名字中的大佬，如今改成了三个????????????。</p><p>他表示，这已经不是什么秘密了——</p><p>GPT-4.5将预训练推向极致之后，OpenAI加倍投入了推理范式，主打o系列+RL。</p><p>不同的是，谷歌和Anthropic仍在Scaling预训练，并增强了强化学习。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/723129e431e6721ce0dc4559751fb026\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"757\"/></p><p>OpenAI主动放弃了这一范式，为劲敌让出了一条速通道。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/c3e200950fd36f1cb9ff7b28189c45c9\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"193\"/></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1704e104ceef163448365c26ab87c150\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"156\"/></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/612407691c118a53eda673fc15662d7f\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"353\"/></p><p><strong>奥特曼：这事儿瞒不住了！</strong></p><p>Gemini 3发布后，谷歌和OpenAI攻守之势易形——</p><p>Gemini 3来势汹汹，而OpenAI这次终于坐不住了！</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/2513583f1a36406cc833dbd45d5f1b06\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"455\"/></p><p>据泄露的内部备忘录，奥特曼坦言：“近期， 从各方面来看，谷歌在大语言模型表现出色”，特别是预训练。</p><p>这番表态标志OpenAI的重大转变——它终于承认，一个重新崛起的竞争对手与逐渐降温的企业需求，已彻底打破了其“天下无敌”的光环。</p><p>所谓预训练，是训练生成式AI模型（无论是文本还是图像）过程中的第一阶段。在这一阶段，研究人员会用网页等大量数据“投喂”模型，让它掌握数据之间的各种关联。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/67af68aad0c888ff9a44df3ff97dc271\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"351\"/></p><p>大语言模型（LLM）开发与训练流程概述：预训练和后训练是关键</p><p>在预训练领域，谷歌取得了新突破，给Gemini 3带来了空前的推理深度。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e8cfd09777725c8ba9c83e359f71534b\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"935\"/></p><p>这让不少AI研究者颇感意外——</p><p>毕竟，OpenAI去年曾屡屡碰壁，而谷歌自己过去也曾陷入瓶颈。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/cb2d39f20abcbf0ca8a09b75fe93e7d6\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"738\"/></p><p>正因如此，在一段时间内，OpenAI选择将更多精力转向另一种新型AI架构——“推理模型”，这种模型虽然计算量更大，但有望输出更优质的回答。</p><p>在推出GPT-5之前，OpenAI团队曾尝试对预训练阶段做出一系列调整，这些方法在小模型上有效，一旦模型变大就失效了。</p><p>GPT-5发布第二天，西班牙与波兰Talan公司AI应用负责人Javier Alba de Alba表示：</p><p>(GPT-5）整体观感颇为失望：</p><p>这是个优秀的模型——响应迅捷、价格亲民、能力全面，但远非人们基于OpenAI过往发布会所预期的代际飞跃。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/733e8aa6a1de749e77b4ae2d5fc36241\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"347\"/></p><p>GPT-5带来了不少提升——</p><p>编程能力显著提升、推理能力进阶、幻觉现象减少、医疗领域表现优化，甚至免费用户也享有更长的默认使用时长。此外命名体系全面简化：GPT-4o/4.1/turbo/mini等繁杂名称悉数消失，统一更名为GPT-5。</p><p>不过，Javier Alba de Alba提醒：“千万不要被名称迷惑：GPT-5并非新一代产品。”他解释道：</p><p>技术层面而言，它更像是GPT-4o的功能增强版，即便命名为GPT-4.2也毫不违和。</p><p>OpenAI此举虽完成了必要的名称统一，但整场发布会未能达到预期，让技术社区颇感失落。</p><p>GPT-5发布后，Epoch AI也发现了其中的异常：</p><p>相比前代GPT-4.5，GPT-5很可能消耗了更少的训练算力。</p><p>虽然具体数值尚未公开，但GPT-4.5使用的训练算力极有可能超过GPT-5。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d718b394a2db766bce08136b6bc7820a\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"768\"/></p><p>预训练并未消亡，它依然是胜负关键。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/03ccaae7cb8157d43abeb1c182f453f6\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"4357\"/></p><p>在内部会议中，奥特曼鼓舞士气，称在未来几个月，OpenAI将重新夺回优势。其中关键举措之一，就是打造一款代号为“Shallotpeat”的新一代大语言模型。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/426ef21c21851844e4005686c5f0d509\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"656\"/></p><p>据知情人士透露，该模型的设计目标之一，就是专门修复OpenAI在预训练过程中遇到的种种“疑难杂症”。</p><p><strong>OpenAI：内部的风向变了</strong></p><p>GPT-5发布的实质是什么？</p><p>对现有ChatGPT用户而言，GPT-5是个好消息，但这并未开启<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/00166\">新时代</a>。</p><p>它只是进化历程中的一小步，而非革命性飞跃。</p><p>既然更多算力通常意味着更强性能，为何OpenAI会反其道而行？这对未来模型发展意味着什么？</p><p>在与a16z合伙人Martin Casado对话中，OpenAI平台工程负责人Sherwin Wu，深度拆解了OpenAI当前平台架构、定价逻辑与未来方向。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4c40b2ba267dde1f05f4ec328eeb02c6\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"480\"/></p><p>在这次访谈中，他们深入探讨了为何开发者往往会长期依赖某个“值得信赖”的模型系列，信任感是如何建立的，以及为什么行业已经逐步放弃了“一个模型通吃所有任务”的幻想。</p><p>Sherwin还讲解了从提示词工程到上下文设计的演变过程，以及企业如何借助OpenAI的微调（fine-tuning）和RFT API，利用自有数据定制模型行为。</p><p><strong>共识已变</strong></p><p>几年前，OpenAI内部认为：未来会有一个“统治一切”的超级模型。但现在行业共识已经转变为“模型的专业化和多样化”。</p><p>虽然会有强大的通用模型，但也需要针对特定任务（如编程Codex、视频Sora）的专用模型。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/6ffb70725eae1fb889e3782b87239bba\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"591\"/></p><p>文本、图像、视频背后的技术堆栈各不同。目前，在后台。这些模型往往是分开优化的独立系统，很难简单地“一锅炖”。</p><p>顺便提一句，正是DALL-E 2的出现让Sherwin决定加入OpenAI，因为那是他第一次感受到AI的魔力。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f6e12233fa906f34344941cdb25a9810\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"902\" tg-height=\"934\"/></p><p><strong>而微调（Fine-tuning）也悄然进化——</strong></p><p>早期的微调，主要用于调整“语气”或“指令遵循”。 现在的重头戏，是强化学习微调（Reinforcement Fine-Tuning） 。</p><p>这允许企业利用其庞大的专有数据（Data Treasure Troves），将较小的模型在特定领域训练至SOTA水平。这是解锁企业数据的关键。</p><p>也就是说，企业拥有大量内部数据，但与ChatGPT“毫无关系”，对企业专属AI而言却是黄金。</p><p>他们多次提到AI代码编辑器Cursor作为建立在 OpenAI API 之上的成功产品案例，证明了：</p><p>即使OpenAI自己有竞品，开发者依然可以建立伟大的垂直应用。</p><p><strong>Agent开发模式</strong></p><p>从第一天起，奥特曼和Greg Brockman就确立了“App+ API”的双轨战略。</p><p>这样做是为了尽可能广泛地分发AGI的利益——</p><p>如果只做 API，你就无法触达普通消费者；如果只做应用，你就无法赋能各行各业的开发者。</p><p>在这次对话中，他们重点谈论了智能体开发工具“Agent Builder”。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/201dfae6a43449d8005d3da7970dee23\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"619\"/></p><p>Sherwin认为，智能体（Agent）并非一种全新的模态，而是AI的一种新使用方式。</p><p>本质上，智能体是一个能够代表用户、在<strong>较长的时间跨度</strong>（Long Time Horizons）内执行一系列操作并完成任务的AI系统。</p><p>OpenAI曾推出了可视化的“Agent Builder”（节点式构建），但发现对于开发者而言，这种方式可能过于受限。</p><p>访谈中，Sherwin和Martin将智能体清晰地划分为两类，这解释了为什么目前市面上的Agent产品形态各异——</p><p>探索型/非定向工作 (Undirected/Exploratory Work)</p><p>流程型/SOP导向工作 (Procedural/SOP-oriented Work)</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/60688c8a0e1f7ff3a88cde86be9dc509\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"784\" tg-height=\"1168\"/></p><p><strong>在对话中，第二类</strong>Agent开发可能更像传统的软件工程或游戏开发中的<strong>NPC（非玩家角色）逻辑</strong>。</p><p>与其让模型完全自由发挥，不如通过代码给予它明确的逻辑框架和标准操作程序（SOP），特别是在受监管的行业（如客户支持、金融）。</p><p>也就是说，<strong>逻辑必须写死在代码里，而不是提示词里。</strong></p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0febfd6f41c50dad6d657fa232544d55\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"573\"/></p><p>这就是Agent Builder想要解决的问题：为那些必须控制智能体行为的行业和场景，提供一个简单、清晰、可验证的解决方案。</p><p><strong>One More Thing</strong></p><p>2025年度压轴大戏，谷歌Gemini 3 Pro无疑打了一场胜仗，但OpenAI不会袖手旁观。</p><p>内部已确认，圣诞节前夕，一连串发布连番轰炸。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/068139b0bfd7eab3ce6848402d785da0\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"531\"/></p><p>据传，一系列新模型，在路上了——</p><p>Image Gen v2</p><p>IMO和IOI金牌多模态模型</p><p>GPT-5.2 Codex</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d7469baa6b21e416b62badf3a90092a1\" title=\"\" tg-width=\"1024\" tg-height=\"358\"/></p><p>12月，AI圈一定非常热闹。</p><p> </p></body></html>","source":"lsy1569730104218","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>OpenAI大溃败！GPT-5“换皮”GPT-4o，两年半预训练0突破</title>\n<style 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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NVDA\">英伟达</a></strong>。</p><p><strong>利润</strong>，最高需要比2024年提高将近<strong>24倍</strong>，达到<strong>4000亿美元</strong>（约2.85万亿元），最低一档也要达到<strong>500亿美元</strong>（约3564亿元）。</p><p><strong>产品</strong>，需要累计交付<strong>2000万辆</strong>特斯拉汽车，完成<strong>1000万个</strong>FSD活跃订阅用户注册，交付<strong>100万台</strong>特斯拉机器人，以及投入运营<strong>100万辆</strong>Robotaxi。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/736fb731b02968024a49e30ab1c1978c\" tg-width=\"995\" tg-height=\"546\"/></p><p>如果解锁所有目标，马斯克在特斯拉的持股比例，将从13%增至约<strong>25%</strong>。按照8.5万亿美元的市值估算，这多出的12%的股票价值<strong>1万亿美元</strong>，现在折合人民币约是<strong>7.13万亿元</strong>。</p><p>这份方案一出炉，外界炸翻了，因为特斯拉给出的工资单实在惊人。</p><p>就这么说吧，公司给马斯克提供的是目前<strong>人类史上最高的薪酬方案</strong>，超过了特斯拉成立以来的利润总和。而马斯克也可能将在64岁时，成为<strong>历史上第一位万亿富翁</strong>。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/fc143817e06cd6a06437a26b3b49cd38\" tg-width=\"811\" tg-height=\"552\"/></p><p>即便没有全部解锁，据路透社估计，按照现在的发展趋势，马斯克至少也能拿到一笔甚至两笔薪酬，价值约在<strong>200亿美元~400亿美元</strong>（折合人民币约711亿元~1423亿元）。</p><p>所以，对于这份薪酬方案，外界担忧、反对声一片。比如一位特斯拉前员工，就在社交平台X上发出质疑，认为“2025年的薪酬方案，给CEO的薪酬过高”，且“几乎无法跑赢通货膨胀，并将大幅落后于<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/161125\">标普500</a>指数”。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/5326686594fd57274c0230ac73775901\" tg-width=\"678\" tg-height=\"590\"/></p><p>他还表示：</p><p>我坚信，其他有能力的CEO，能以更低的投资成本，推动特斯拉实现同样的增长。</p><p>马斯克很快在推文下面回复，不过没有正面回应担忧，而是以特斯拉的市值说明一切：</p><p>特斯拉的市值，比所有其他汽车公司的总和还要高。你希望哪位CEO来执掌特斯拉？我可不会。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7d1a69bbd4602a9aeb63816d42253d7a\" tg-width=\"677\" tg-height=\"377\"/></p><p>并由此暗示，如果拿不到这笔钱，他就不当特斯拉的CEO了。</p><p><strong>巨额工资该不该通过？风评两边倒</strong></p><p>在薪酬提案公开一个多月的时间里，外界争议不休，风评几乎是两边倒。</p><p>一边是<strong>强烈反对</strong>，以机构股东服务公司（ISS）为代表。一般来说，代理投票顾问机构的意见，很可能会影响大型机构投资者的决策。</p><p>这家公司表示，特斯拉董事会想留住马斯克，可以理解，但薪酬规模简直是“天文数字”。</p><p>即使只是部分实现了目标，其方案也可能继续向首席执行官支付巨额薪酬，现有股东的股权也会被稀释。</p><p>且他们认为方案设计也<strong>存在漏洞</strong>，缺乏有效的<strong>约束调整机制</strong>。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/e78d4432e8d46857389ef34269f8ca11\" tg-width=\"1054\" tg-height=\"691\"/></p><p>另一边则是方案通过的支持者，包括特斯拉不少股东。</p><p>特斯拉官方账号还发文反驳了ISS，认为后者再次完全忽视了投资和治理的基本要点，并呼吁大家，支持特斯拉就所有提案投票。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/ee07f1f0a93ddd15315880f24cd251d0\" tg-width=\"677\" tg-height=\"766\"/></p><p>此外，支持声最高的是马斯克头号“铁粉”，方舟投资（Ark investment）创始人——<strong>“木头姐” 凯茜·伍德</strong>（Cathie Wood）。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/cd4453b7fc31077b05686b136680f88d\" tg-width=\"1080\" tg-height=\"609\"/></p><p>她认为，新的薪酬方案，将以<strong>压倒性优势</strong>获得通过。“就像当年第一次为马斯克2018年的薪酬方案投票时，该方案以压倒性优势获得通过。”</p><p>她同样也在X上发表了自己的观点，表示：</p><p>那个时候，特斯拉还未被纳入任何指数。如今特斯拉占标普500指数权重的2.4%，指数基金不足以左右投票结果。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/43ffb587050c67bc77c5a9704743fc6e\" tg-width=\"987\" tg-height=\"674\"/></p><p>至于薪酬方案最终的落地结果如何，就要等<strong>11月6日</strong>的股东大会去定夺了。</p><p>马斯克已提前剧透，今年的股东大会将会<strong>很特别</strong>。不过可能不止是因为，其薪酬方案将在大会上落地。</p><p>马斯克和其他特斯拉高管，还将在大会的演示和问答环节，展示特斯拉最新的产品路线图和战略重点。</p><p>其中，很可能就包括特斯拉今年再度亮相的新超跑——<strong>Roadster 2.0</strong>。</p><p><strong>特斯拉新超跑，今年即将亮相</strong></p><p>消息来自<strong>特斯拉首席设计师</strong>——弗朗茨・冯・霍尔茨豪森（Franz von Holzhausen）。</p><p>在最近的一档播客节目里，弗朗茨谈到了电动跑车Roadster的最新进展，确认第二代新车会在<strong>今年亮相</strong>。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/4b35a83282f2d69f8e4d355465ffef43\" tg-width=\"1004\" tg-height=\"665\"/></p><p>这款Roadster 2.0，定位为四座敞篷跑车，首次亮相是在<strong>2017年</strong>，几年来一直备受关注，几乎每年业绩会议上都会被问及。</p><p>不过，由于供应链、技术发展的原因，以及特斯拉过去的重心大多集中于Model 3和Model Y上，Roadster 2.0的发布时间推了又推。</p><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8d0cf74cf7e9e93e110326bdd604b67a\" tg-width=\"874\" tg-height=\"526\"/></p><p>终于到今年年底，Roadster要再度出山了，并且展出的不再是原型车，而是一个可量产、可销售的产品。只不过，还是要在两年之后的<strong>2027年投产</strong>。</p><p>据弗朗茨的描述，这款新车会采用定制涂装选项，其性能会“极其疯狂”，突破公路车辆的<strong>物理极限</strong>：</p><p>其中包括<strong>0–100km/h加速不到1秒</strong>，将是<strong>陆地上最快的量产车</strong>。</p><p>而且特斯拉所有车型都在追求的FSD，反而不是Roadster的特点，Roadster目标是要做“最后一台”驾驶者之车。</p></body></html>","source":"tencent","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" 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justify;\">根据公司的内部预测，算上备用服务器，OpenAI未来五年平均每年将在租用服务器上花费约850亿美元。作为对比，去年亚马逊AWS、微软、谷歌云和甲骨文这四大云服务商的客户加起来在服务器租赁上总共花费了大约2000亿美元。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">此外，OpenAI的备用服务器支出（1000亿美元）也是其长期现金流预测达1150亿美元（截至2029年）的一个重要原因。根据媒体此前的报道，公司可能需要筹集相应规模的资金。而按照目前的内部预估，公司将于2030年开始实现现金流转正。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">尽管这笔备用服务器的支出不小，但OpenAI高管表示，这些服务器“具有变现潜力”。一位与公司高层有过交流的人士对媒体透露，这些备用算力要么可以推动技术突破、要么可以应对产品使用激增，因此有助于带来额外收入，而这部分收入目前还未被纳入公司财务预测。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">根据OpenAI的预测，公司营收将在2030年增长到大约2000亿美元，而今年的营收预计为130亿美元。这一增幅主要得益于ChatGPT的快速发展。届时，OpenAI的营收将超过过去12个月中英伟达或Meta的收入水平。</p><h2 id=\"id_1882334469\">会被指“囤积”GPU？</h2><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">媒体分析称，OpenAI也可能通过其他方式降低备用服务器的成本，或者将这些资源进行变现。例如，它可以将未使用的算力返还给微软、甲骨文等提供服务器的云服务商——前提是对方愿意接受。也可以尝试将这些服务器租给其他企业客户。但目前还不清楚有哪些公司愿意、也有能力承担如此高昂的费用，此外也不确定云服务商是否允许OpenAI转租其资源。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>如果OpenAI既无法自己用完这些服务器，也找不到其他客户，就可能被外界批评为“囤积GPU”。而几乎承载了OpenAI所有算力的英伟达，显然不希望出现这种情况，因为这将限制其他公司的GPU获取，从而促使它们转而使用竞争对手的AI芯片。</strong></p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">OpenAI高管预测，该公司在备用服务器上的年度支出将在2028年达到峰值，为400亿美元。目前尚不清楚为何此后支出会明显下降，但OpenAI已表示，未来将自行开发数据中心和芯片，这可能有助于填补这一缺口。Friar在高盛会议上表示：</p><blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">“我们希望OpenAI成为一家真正的全栈公司。”</p></blockquote><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">媒体表示，硅谷的创始人和高管们对“爆款产品导致服务器不足”这一风险非常熟悉。比如20多年前迅速走红的社交网站Friendster就因频繁宕机而让出市场，最终被竞争对手超越。</p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">过去一年里，OpenAI也多次出现服务中断，最长达数小时。但尽管如此，ChatGPT依然稳居聊天机器人市场领先地位。公司预计，到今年年底，ChatGPT的每周活跃用户将达到10亿人，而在7月，这一数字刚刚突破7亿。</p></body></html>","source":"lsy1700700604709","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" 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Altman的一个核心信念：谁掌握更多服务器，谁就在AI竞赛中拥有决定性优势。他曾告诉同事，未来OpenAI所需的算力甚至可能超过整个美国电网的供电能力。据多位与OpenAI高管交流过的人士对媒体透露，Altman和他的管理团队认为，未来可能出现的新爆款产品或AI技术突破，将带来难以预料的算力需求激增。算力支出大增为抢占市场媒体分析称，从Altman和Friar的公开言论来看，OpenAI已经将手中所有大型英伟达GPU集群用得满满当当。如果未来再出现一个热门功能，导致算力资源吃紧，或者因为缺乏足够服务器而无法训练有潜力的新模型，OpenAI可能会因此失去用户或业务，转而被谷歌或Meta等在算力上不那么受限的竞争对手抢占市场。根据公司的内部预测，算上备用服务器，OpenAI未来五年平均每年将在租用服务器上花费约850亿美元。作为对比，去年亚马逊AWS、微软、谷歌云和甲骨文这四大云服务商的客户加起来在服务器租赁上总共花费了大约2000亿美元。此外，OpenAI的备用服务器支出（1000亿美元）也是其长期现金流预测达1150亿美元（截至2029年）的一个重要原因。根据媒体此前的报道，公司可能需要筹集相应规模的资金。而按照目前的内部预估，公司将于2030年开始实现现金流转正。尽管这笔备用服务器的支出不小，但OpenAI高管表示，这些服务器“具有变现潜力”。一位与公司高层有过交流的人士对媒体透露，这些备用算力要么可以推动技术突破、要么可以应对产品使用激增，因此有助于带来额外收入，而这部分收入目前还未被纳入公司财务预测。根据OpenAI的预测，公司营收将在2030年增长到大约2000亿美元，而今年的营收预计为130亿美元。这一增幅主要得益于ChatGPT的快速发展。届时，OpenAI的营收将超过过去12个月中英伟达或Meta的收入水平。会被指“囤积”GPU？媒体分析称，OpenAI也可能通过其他方式降低备用服务器的成本，或者将这些资源进行变现。例如，它可以将未使用的算力返还给微软、甲骨文等提供服务器的云服务商——前提是对方愿意接受。也可以尝试将这些服务器租给其他企业客户。但目前还不清楚有哪些公司愿意、也有能力承担如此高昂的费用，此外也不确定云服务商是否允许OpenAI转租其资源。如果OpenAI既无法自己用完这些服务器，也找不到其他客户，就可能被外界批评为“囤积GPU”。而几乎承载了OpenAI所有算力的英伟达，显然不希望出现这种情况，因为这将限制其他公司的GPU获取，从而促使它们转而使用竞争对手的AI芯片。OpenAI高管预测，该公司在备用服务器上的年度支出将在2028年达到峰值，为400亿美元。目前尚不清楚为何此后支出会明显下降，但OpenAI已表示，未来将自行开发数据中心和芯片，这可能有助于填补这一缺口。Friar在高盛会议上表示：“我们希望OpenAI成为一家真正的全栈公司。”媒体表示，硅谷的创始人和高管们对“爆款产品导致服务器不足”这一风险非常熟悉。比如20多年前迅速走红的社交网站Friendster就因频繁宕机而让出市场，最终被竞争对手超越。过去一年里，OpenAI也多次出现服务中断，最长达数小时。但尽管如此，ChatGPT依然稳居聊天机器人市场领先地位。公司预计，到今年年底，ChatGPT的每周活跃用户将达到10亿人，而在7月，这一数字刚刚突破7亿。","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2505,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[{"author":{"id":"3472532348212000","authorId":"3472532348212000","name":"chenx32401","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":7,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"authorIdStr":"3472532348212000","idStr":"3472532348212000"},"content":"OpenAI跟微软签了新合约，每年可以不用再向爹进贡500亿","text":"OpenAI跟微软签了新合约，每年可以不用再向爹进贡500亿","html":"OpenAI跟微软签了新合约，每年可以不用再向爹进贡500亿"}],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"CN","totalScore":0},{"id":507594752094808,"gmtCreate":1764955102848,"gmtModify":1765160790987,"author":{"id":"3574718097407891","authorId":"3574718097407891","name":"别买期权","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f99b61dad72dd027a528242e56f725ae","crmLevel":6,"crmLevelSwitch":1,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3574718097407891","idStr":"3574718097407891"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"<a 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