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2021-08-18

Time to go up

2021-08-06

Seems to be going up rapidly

2021-08-06

To buy or not to buy

Uber, Lyft Drive Investors Away<blockquote>优步、Lyft赶走投资者</blockquote>

2021-08-06

Will it keep increasing?

2021-07-30

Adobe.. interesting

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2021-07-30

$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$keep going up please

2021-07-29

Apple👍🏻

Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>

2021-07-29

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Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>

2021-07-29

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Lyft said its rideshare rides in the second quarter were still “well below” the levels reached in the fourth quarter of 2019. While not a perfect comparison, Uber’s second quarter trips—a reflection of both supply and demand—were down just over 20% from the same period.</p><p><blockquote>目前，尚不清楚哪家公司的投资策略最划算。Lyft表示，其第二季度的共享乘车量仍 “远低于 ”2019 年第四季度的水平。虽然这并不是一个完美的比较，但 Uber 第二季度的出行次数--反映了供需两方面的情况--比同期下降了 20% 多一点。</blockquote></p><p> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7f98a2ba57a4b018b3db0d420b862bc4\" tg-width=\"338\" tg-height=\"422\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">Lyft’s results show its active riders were still down more than 21% in the second quarter from the same period in 2019. The company also said its sales and marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue in the second quarter were near record lows. This is in part a reflection of its depressed driver count: It isn’t worth over-spending to acquire customers you can’t even service. By contrast, Uber was able to grow its monthly active platform consumers in the second quarter relative to the same period two years ago.</p><p><blockquote>Lyft的结果显示，其第二季度的活跃骑手数量仍比 2019 年同期下降了 21% 以上。该公司还表示，第二季度销售和营销费用占收入的百分比接近历史低点。这在一定程度上反映了其司机数量的低迷： 不值得花太多钱去获取你甚至无法服务的客户。相比之下，与两年前同期相比，优步第二季度的月活跃平台消费者有所增长。</blockquote></p><p> While Lyft was clear this week that it likes its chances as a ride-hailing pure play, Uber continued to stress its unique value proposition marrying consumers’ ride-hailing and food-delivery needs, noting cross-pollination. Investors will now need to place their bets on which strategy will emerge from the pandemic in a more sustainable position.</p><p><blockquote>虽然Lyft本周明确表示，它喜欢作为打车纯业务的机会，但 Uber 继续强调其独特的价值主张，将消费者的打车和送餐需求结合起来，并指出了异花授粉。投资者现在需要押注哪种策略将从疫情中脱颖而出，处于更可持续的地位。</blockquote></p><p> Uber’s Chief Executive Officer Dara Khosrowshahi has said its mobility business has been an even more effective customer acquisition tool for its delivery business than dollars spent on delivery marketing. On Wednesday the company said its consumers who engage with both its mobility and its delivery businesses are now generating nearly half of its overall gross bookings, implying significant customer crossover.</p><p><blockquote>Uber 首席执行官达拉-科斯罗萨希（Dara Khosrowshahi）曾表示，与用于送货营销的资金相比，Uber 的移动业务一直是送货业务更有效的客户获取工具。周三，该公司表示，参与其移动和送货业务的消费者目前占其总预订量的近一半，这意味着客户出现了显着的交叉。</blockquote></p><p> But a leaner business might be easier to control. While Uber continues to expect it won’t turn a profit, even on an adjusted Ebitda basis, until the fourth quarter of this year,Lyft was able to do soearlier, in part by pulling harder on simple levers. The company said revenue per ride increased 7% sequentially in the second quarter, counteracting still depressed ride volume due to driver shortages. Both companies have raised prices on U.S. ride-hailing transactions amid the pandemic. But fresh Edison Trends data show for the week ended July 19, Uber’s consumers spent 24% more on transactions than they did the comparable week last year, while Lyft’s consumers spent 35% more.</p><p><blockquote>但更精简的业务可能更容易控制。虽然 Uber 仍预计要到今年第四季度才能扭亏为盈，即使是调整后的 Ebitda，Lyft 也能更早地扭亏为盈，部分原因是通过更加努力地利用简单的杠杆。该公司表示，第二季度每次乘车的收入环比增长 7%，抵消了因司机短缺而导致的乘车量仍然低迷。疫情期间，两家公司都提高了美国网约车交易的价格。但最新的 Edison Trends 数据显示，在截至 7 月 19 日的一周内，Uber 消费者的交易支出比去年同期增加了 24%，而Lyft消费者的交易支出则增加了 35%。</blockquote></p><p> It is worth noting that, while Lyft has boasted about its ability to achieve so-called profits, it also clearly defined itself on a conference call Tuesday as “a growth company.” All in, its net loss still totaled hundreds of millions in the second quarter, although it narrowed. Meanwhile, Uber seems confident it has found a path to near-term profitability, but it is unclear to what degree further investments in new drivers will be needed as consumer demand continues to improve.</p><p><blockquote>值得注意的是，虽然Lyft吹嘘自己有能力实现所谓的利润，但它也在周二的电话会议上明确将自己定义为 “成长型公司”。总而言之，其第二季度净亏损总额仍达数亿，尽管有所收窄。与此同时，优步似乎有信心找到了近期盈利的道路，但目前尚不清楚随着消费者需求的持续改善，需要在多大程度上进一步投资新司机。</blockquote></p><p> Especially with the Covid-19 Delta variant continuing to spread, investors looking to bank on either strategy today may be left waiting for a ride.</p><p><blockquote>特别是随着 Covid-19 德尔塔变异毒株继续蔓延，今天希望依赖这两种策略的投资者可能只能等待机会。</blockquote></p><p></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber, Lyft Drive Investors Away<blockquote>优步、Lyft赶走投资者</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber, Lyft Drive Investors Away<blockquote>优步、Lyft赶走投资者</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n<p class=\"head\">\n<strong class=\"h-name small\">The Wall Street Journal</strong><span class=\"h-time small\">2021-08-05 21:08</span>\n</p>\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\n<p>  Ride-hailing companies have spent dearly to compete for the same riders; now they are spending to compete for the same drivers.  Is the optimal strategy in ride-hailing growth or profits? Investors can’t have it both ways.</p><p><blockquote>网约车公司花费巨资争夺同样的骑手；现在他们正在花钱争夺同样的司机。网约车的最优策略是增长还是利润？投资者不能两全其美。</blockquote></p><p> AfterLyftLYFT-10.56%said it achieved profitability on the basis of adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization on Tuesday, Uber said Wednesday that its losses deepened sequentially on that basis as it made investments in driver recovery. Shares of Lyft fell more than 9% the day after its report while Uber’s shares fell 8% in after-hours trading immediately following the release of itssecond quarter results.</p><p><blockquote>继LyftLyft-10.56%表示，周二根据调整后的息税折旧摊销前利润实现盈利后，Uber周三表示，随着对司机康复进行投资，其亏损在此基础上逐步加深。Lyft的股价在报告发布后的第二天下跌了 9% 以上，而 Uber 的股价在发布第二季度业绩后立即在盘后交易中下跌了 8%。</blockquote></p><p> Investors have become uncomfortable with ride-hailing companies paying dearly to compete for the same riders as they work to grow their market share. Now they arepaying to compete for the same driversas theywork to rebuild their supplyafter the pandemic decimated ride-hailing demand.</p><p><blockquote>投资者对打车公司在努力扩大市场份额时支付高额费用来争夺相同的乘客感到不安。现在，他们正在花钱争夺同样的司机，因为他们正在努力在疫情大幅削弱打车需求后重建供应。</blockquote></p><p> They may not be investing equally. Lyft said it significantly increased its investments in incentives and sign-on bonuses to boost its driver base in the second quarter, expecting elevated incentives to continue into the third quarter. But Uber appears to have been more aggressive. While the company reported overall revenue that beat Wall Street’s estimate, it also lost 58% more than analysts had forecast on an adjusted Ebitda basis.</p><p><blockquote>他们可能不会平等地投资。Lyft表示，第二季度大幅增加了在激励措施和签约奖金方面的投资，以扩大其司机基础，预计激励措施的提高将持续到第三季度。但优步似乎更加激进。虽然该公司公布的总收入超出了华尔街的预期，但按调整后的 Ebitda 计算，其亏损也比分析师的预测高出 58%。</blockquote></p><p> At this point, it is still unclear which company’s investment strategy is yielding the most bang for its buck. Lyft said its rideshare rides in the second quarter were still “well below” the levels reached in the fourth quarter of 2019. While not a perfect comparison, Uber’s second quarter trips—a reflection of both supply and demand—were down just over 20% from the same period.</p><p><blockquote>目前，尚不清楚哪家公司的投资策略最划算。Lyft表示，其第二季度的共享乘车量仍 “远低于 ”2019 年第四季度的水平。虽然这并不是一个完美的比较，但 Uber 第二季度的出行次数--反映了供需两方面的情况--比同期下降了 20% 多一点。</blockquote></p><p> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7f98a2ba57a4b018b3db0d420b862bc4\" tg-width=\"338\" tg-height=\"422\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">Lyft’s results show its active riders were still down more than 21% in the second quarter from the same period in 2019. The company also said its sales and marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue in the second quarter were near record lows. This is in part a reflection of its depressed driver count: It isn’t worth over-spending to acquire customers you can’t even service. By contrast, Uber was able to grow its monthly active platform consumers in the second quarter relative to the same period two years ago.</p><p><blockquote>Lyft的结果显示，其第二季度的活跃骑手数量仍比 2019 年同期下降了 21% 以上。该公司还表示，第二季度销售和营销费用占收入的百分比接近历史低点。这在一定程度上反映了其司机数量的低迷： 不值得花太多钱去获取你甚至无法服务的客户。相比之下，与两年前同期相比，优步第二季度的月活跃平台消费者有所增长。</blockquote></p><p> While Lyft was clear this week that it likes its chances as a ride-hailing pure play, Uber continued to stress its unique value proposition marrying consumers’ ride-hailing and food-delivery needs, noting cross-pollination. Investors will now need to place their bets on which strategy will emerge from the pandemic in a more sustainable position.</p><p><blockquote>虽然Lyft本周明确表示，它喜欢作为打车纯业务的机会，但 Uber 继续强调其独特的价值主张，将消费者的打车和送餐需求结合起来，并指出了异花授粉。投资者现在需要押注哪种策略将从疫情中脱颖而出，处于更可持续的地位。</blockquote></p><p> Uber’s Chief Executive Officer Dara Khosrowshahi has said its mobility business has been an even more effective customer acquisition tool for its delivery business than dollars spent on delivery marketing. On Wednesday the company said its consumers who engage with both its mobility and its delivery businesses are now generating nearly half of its overall gross bookings, implying significant customer crossover.</p><p><blockquote>Uber 首席执行官达拉-科斯罗萨希（Dara Khosrowshahi）曾表示，与用于送货营销的资金相比，Uber 的移动业务一直是送货业务更有效的客户获取工具。周三，该公司表示，参与其移动和送货业务的消费者目前占其总预订量的近一半，这意味着客户出现了显着的交叉。</blockquote></p><p> But a leaner business might be easier to control. While Uber continues to expect it won’t turn a profit, even on an adjusted Ebitda basis, until the fourth quarter of this year,Lyft was able to do soearlier, in part by pulling harder on simple levers. The company said revenue per ride increased 7% sequentially in the second quarter, counteracting still depressed ride volume due to driver shortages. Both companies have raised prices on U.S. ride-hailing transactions amid the pandemic. But fresh Edison Trends data show for the week ended July 19, Uber’s consumers spent 24% more on transactions than they did the comparable week last year, while Lyft’s consumers spent 35% more.</p><p><blockquote>但更精简的业务可能更容易控制。虽然 Uber 仍预计要到今年第四季度才能扭亏为盈，即使是调整后的 Ebitda，Lyft 也能更早地扭亏为盈，部分原因是通过更加努力地利用简单的杠杆。该公司表示，第二季度每次乘车的收入环比增长 7%，抵消了因司机短缺而导致的乘车量仍然低迷。疫情期间，两家公司都提高了美国网约车交易的价格。但最新的 Edison Trends 数据显示，在截至 7 月 19 日的一周内，Uber 消费者的交易支出比去年同期增加了 24%，而Lyft消费者的交易支出则增加了 35%。</blockquote></p><p> It is worth noting that, while Lyft has boasted about its ability to achieve so-called profits, it also clearly defined itself on a conference call Tuesday as “a growth company.” All in, its net loss still totaled hundreds of millions in the second quarter, although it narrowed. Meanwhile, Uber seems confident it has found a path to near-term profitability, but it is unclear to what degree further investments in new drivers will be needed as consumer demand continues to improve.</p><p><blockquote>值得注意的是，虽然Lyft吹嘘自己有能力实现所谓的利润，但它也在周二的电话会议上明确将自己定义为 “成长型公司”。总而言之，其第二季度净亏损总额仍达数亿，尽管有所收窄。与此同时，优步似乎有信心找到了近期盈利的道路，但目前尚不清楚随着消费者需求的持续改善，需要在多大程度上进一步投资新司机。</blockquote></p><p> Especially with the Covid-19 Delta variant continuing to spread, investors looking to bank on either strategy today may be left waiting for a ride.</p><p><blockquote>特别是随着 Covid-19 德尔塔变异毒株继续蔓延，今天希望依赖这两种策略的投资者可能只能等待机会。</blockquote></p><p></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> 来源：<a href=\"https://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-lyft-drive-investors-away-11628115638?mod=markets_lead_pos12\">The Wall Street Journal</a></p>\n<p>为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化</p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-lyft-drive-investors-away-11628115638?mod=markets_lead_pos12","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1151835705","content_text":"Ride-hailing companies have spent dearly to compete for the same riders; now they are spending to compete for the same drivers.\n\nIs the optimal strategy in ride-hailing growth or profits? Investors can’t have it both ways.\nAfterLyftLYFT-10.56%said it achieved profitability on the basis of adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization on Tuesday, Uber said Wednesday that its losses deepened sequentially on that basis as it made investments in driver recovery. Shares of Lyft fell more than 9% the day after its report while Uber’s shares fell 8% in after-hours trading immediately following the release of itssecond quarter results.\nInvestors have become uncomfortable with ride-hailing companies paying dearly to compete for the same riders as they work to grow their market share. Now they arepaying to compete for the same driversas theywork to rebuild their supplyafter the pandemic decimated ride-hailing demand.\nThey may not be investing equally. Lyft said it significantly increased its investments in incentives and sign-on bonuses to boost its driver base in the second quarter, expecting elevated incentives to continue into the third quarter. But Uber appears to have been more aggressive. While the company reported overall revenue that beat Wall Street’s estimate, it also lost 58% more than analysts had forecast on an adjusted Ebitda basis.\nAt this point, it is still unclear which company’s investment strategy is yielding the most bang for its buck. Lyft said its rideshare rides in the second quarter were still “well below” the levels reached in the fourth quarter of 2019. While not a perfect comparison, Uber’s second quarter trips—a reflection of both supply and demand—were down just over 20% from the same period.\nLyft’s results show its active riders were still down more than 21% in the second quarter from the same period in 2019. The company also said its sales and marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue in the second quarter were near record lows. This is in part a reflection of its depressed driver count: It isn’t worth over-spending to acquire customers you can’t even service. By contrast, Uber was able to grow its monthly active platform consumers in the second quarter relative to the same period two years ago.\nWhile Lyft was clear this week that it likes its chances as a ride-hailing pure play, Uber continued to stress its unique value proposition marrying consumers’ ride-hailing and food-delivery needs, noting cross-pollination. Investors will now need to place their bets on which strategy will emerge from the pandemic in a more sustainable position.\nUber’s Chief Executive Officer Dara Khosrowshahi has said its mobility business has been an even more effective customer acquisition tool for its delivery business than dollars spent on delivery marketing. On Wednesday the company said its consumers who engage with both its mobility and its delivery businesses are now generating nearly half of its overall gross bookings, implying significant customer crossover.\nBut a leaner business might be easier to control. While Uber continues to expect it won’t turn a profit, even on an adjusted Ebitda basis, until the fourth quarter of this year,Lyft was able to do soearlier, in part by pulling harder on simple levers. The company said revenue per ride increased 7% sequentially in the second quarter, counteracting still depressed ride volume due to driver shortages. Both companies have raised prices on U.S. ride-hailing transactions amid the pandemic. But fresh Edison Trends data show for the week ended July 19, Uber’s consumers spent 24% more on transactions than they did the comparable week last year, while Lyft’s consumers spent 35% more.\nIt is worth noting that, while Lyft has boasted about its ability to achieve so-called profits, it also clearly defined itself on a conference call Tuesday as “a growth company.” All in, its net loss still totaled hundreds of millions in the second quarter, although it narrowed. Meanwhile, Uber seems confident it has found a path to near-term profitability, but it is unclear to what degree further investments in new drivers will be needed as consumer demand continues to improve.\nEspecially with the Covid-19 Delta variant continuing to spread, investors looking to bank on either strategy today may be left waiting for a ride.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1998,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":899625728,"gmtCreate":1628180194864,"gmtModify":1633752848831,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3585485440933501","idStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"Will it keep increasing?&nbsp;","listText":"Will it keep increasing?&nbsp;","text":"Will it keep increasing?","images":[{"img":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a3fe69c73483754594e149db5bf11fae","width":"1125","height":"3613"}],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/899625728","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3138,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":1,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":806296564,"gmtCreate":1627656384758,"gmtModify":1633757352237,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3585485440933501","idStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"Adobe.. interesting","listText":"Adobe.. interesting","text":"Adobe.. interesting","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":1,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/806296564","repostId":"2155377091","repostType":4,"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1658,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":806293828,"gmtCreate":1627656242864,"gmtModify":1633757355032,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3585485440933501","idStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TIGR\">$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$</a>keep going up please&nbsp;","listText":"<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/TIGR\">$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$</a>keep going up please&nbsp;","text":"$Tiger Brokers(TIGR)$keep going up please","images":[{"img":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/1a1918f34e68e5db9394cb91a367ef1f","width":"1170","height":"2026"}],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":3,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/806293828","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3467,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":1,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":801758035,"gmtCreate":1627537198527,"gmtModify":1633763995479,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3585485440933501","idStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"Apple👍🏻","listText":"Apple👍🏻","text":"Apple👍🏻","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/801758035","repostId":"1182616893","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1182616893","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1627484855,"share":"https://www.laohunote.com/m/news/1182616893?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-07-28 23:07","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1182616893","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business ","content":"<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nApple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n<p class=\"head\">\n<strong class=\"h-name small\">seekingalpha</strong><span class=\"h-time small\">2021-07-28 23:07</span>\n</p>\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\n<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> 来源：<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business\">seekingalpha</a></p>\n<p>为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化</p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AAPL":"苹果"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1182616893","content_text":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business is more valuable than products.\nApple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.\nNo need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.\n\nyalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images\nAfter another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.\nIs this the best business in the world?\nNo less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.\nFor years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.\nBecause Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):\nSource:Inomics.com\nThat is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).\nAnd still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.\nThird Quarter earnings look great\nApple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"\nInstead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:\nSource: Author, from company earnings reports\nSo as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.\nThis was just a great quarter.\nA simple model for Apple's earnings\nThe job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:\nSource: Koyfin\nFor the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.\nThese two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:\nSource: Apple\nSource: Apple form 10K\nAs you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:\nSource: Apple form 10Q\nSo all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.\nFor the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.\nFor the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.\nIn last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:\nProducts: $68 billion\nServices: $33 billion\nTo arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:\nSource: Author\nSo using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.\nOn the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.\nConclusion\nThere are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.\nI wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"AAPL":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3044,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":801751973,"gmtCreate":1627537107392,"gmtModify":1633763996045,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"authorIdStr":"3585485440933501","idStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"[Grin]&nbsp;","listText":"[Grin]&nbsp;","text":"[Grin]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/801751973","repostId":"1182616893","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1182616893","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1627484855,"share":"https://www.laohunote.com/m/news/1182616893?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-07-28 23:07","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1182616893","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business ","content":"<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nApple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n<p class=\"head\">\n<strong class=\"h-name small\">seekingalpha</strong><span class=\"h-time small\">2021-07-28 23:07</span>\n</p>\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\n<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> 来源：<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business\">seekingalpha</a></p>\n<p>为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化</p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AAPL":"苹果"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1182616893","content_text":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business is more valuable than products.\nApple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.\nNo need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.\n\nyalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images\nAfter another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.\nIs this the best business in the world?\nNo less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.\nFor years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.\nBecause Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):\nSource:Inomics.com\nThat is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).\nAnd still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.\nThird Quarter earnings look great\nApple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"\nInstead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:\nSource: Author, from company earnings reports\nSo as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.\nThis was just a great quarter.\nA simple model for Apple's earnings\nThe job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:\nSource: Koyfin\nFor the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.\nThese two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:\nSource: Apple\nSource: Apple form 10K\nAs you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:\nSource: Apple form 10Q\nSo all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.\nFor the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.\nFor the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.\nIn last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:\nProducts: $68 billion\nServices: $33 billion\nTo arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:\nSource: Author\nSo using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.\nOn the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.\nConclusion\nThere are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.\nI wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. 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Is the optimal strategy in ride-hailing growth or profits? Investors can’t have it both ways.</p><p><blockquote>网约车公司花费巨资争夺同样的骑手；现在他们正在花钱争夺同样的司机。网约车的最优策略是增长还是利润？投资者不能两全其美。</blockquote></p><p> AfterLyftLYFT-10.56%said it achieved profitability on the basis of adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization on Tuesday, Uber said Wednesday that its losses deepened sequentially on that basis as it made investments in driver recovery. Shares of Lyft fell more than 9% the day after its report while Uber’s shares fell 8% in after-hours trading immediately following the release of itssecond quarter results.</p><p><blockquote>继LyftLyft-10.56%表示，周二根据调整后的息税折旧摊销前利润实现盈利后，Uber周三表示，随着对司机康复进行投资，其亏损在此基础上逐步加深。Lyft的股价在报告发布后的第二天下跌了 9% 以上，而 Uber 的股价在发布第二季度业绩后立即在盘后交易中下跌了 8%。</blockquote></p><p> Investors have become uncomfortable with ride-hailing companies paying dearly to compete for the same riders as they work to grow their market share. Now they arepaying to compete for the same driversas theywork to rebuild their supplyafter the pandemic decimated ride-hailing demand.</p><p><blockquote>投资者对打车公司在努力扩大市场份额时支付高额费用来争夺相同的乘客感到不安。现在，他们正在花钱争夺同样的司机，因为他们正在努力在疫情大幅削弱打车需求后重建供应。</blockquote></p><p> They may not be investing equally. Lyft said it significantly increased its investments in incentives and sign-on bonuses to boost its driver base in the second quarter, expecting elevated incentives to continue into the third quarter. But Uber appears to have been more aggressive. While the company reported overall revenue that beat Wall Street’s estimate, it also lost 58% more than analysts had forecast on an adjusted Ebitda basis.</p><p><blockquote>他们可能不会平等地投资。Lyft表示，第二季度大幅增加了在激励措施和签约奖金方面的投资，以扩大其司机基础，预计激励措施的提高将持续到第三季度。但优步似乎更加激进。虽然该公司公布的总收入超出了华尔街的预期，但按调整后的 Ebitda 计算，其亏损也比分析师的预测高出 58%。</blockquote></p><p> At this point, it is still unclear which company’s investment strategy is yielding the most bang for its buck. Lyft said its rideshare rides in the second quarter were still “well below” the levels reached in the fourth quarter of 2019. While not a perfect comparison, Uber’s second quarter trips—a reflection of both supply and demand—were down just over 20% from the same period.</p><p><blockquote>目前，尚不清楚哪家公司的投资策略最划算。Lyft表示，其第二季度的共享乘车量仍 “远低于 ”2019 年第四季度的水平。虽然这并不是一个完美的比较，但 Uber 第二季度的出行次数--反映了供需两方面的情况--比同期下降了 20% 多一点。</blockquote></p><p> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7f98a2ba57a4b018b3db0d420b862bc4\" tg-width=\"338\" tg-height=\"422\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">Lyft’s results show its active riders were still down more than 21% in the second quarter from the same period in 2019. The company also said its sales and marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue in the second quarter were near record lows. This is in part a reflection of its depressed driver count: It isn’t worth over-spending to acquire customers you can’t even service. By contrast, Uber was able to grow its monthly active platform consumers in the second quarter relative to the same period two years ago.</p><p><blockquote>Lyft的结果显示，其第二季度的活跃骑手数量仍比 2019 年同期下降了 21% 以上。该公司还表示，第二季度销售和营销费用占收入的百分比接近历史低点。这在一定程度上反映了其司机数量的低迷： 不值得花太多钱去获取你甚至无法服务的客户。相比之下，与两年前同期相比，优步第二季度的月活跃平台消费者有所增长。</blockquote></p><p> While Lyft was clear this week that it likes its chances as a ride-hailing pure play, Uber continued to stress its unique value proposition marrying consumers’ ride-hailing and food-delivery needs, noting cross-pollination. Investors will now need to place their bets on which strategy will emerge from the pandemic in a more sustainable position.</p><p><blockquote>虽然Lyft本周明确表示，它喜欢作为打车纯业务的机会，但 Uber 继续强调其独特的价值主张，将消费者的打车和送餐需求结合起来，并指出了异花授粉。投资者现在需要押注哪种策略将从疫情中脱颖而出，处于更可持续的地位。</blockquote></p><p> Uber’s Chief Executive Officer Dara Khosrowshahi has said its mobility business has been an even more effective customer acquisition tool for its delivery business than dollars spent on delivery marketing. On Wednesday the company said its consumers who engage with both its mobility and its delivery businesses are now generating nearly half of its overall gross bookings, implying significant customer crossover.</p><p><blockquote>Uber 首席执行官达拉-科斯罗萨希（Dara Khosrowshahi）曾表示，与用于送货营销的资金相比，Uber 的移动业务一直是送货业务更有效的客户获取工具。周三，该公司表示，参与其移动和送货业务的消费者目前占其总预订量的近一半，这意味着客户出现了显着的交叉。</blockquote></p><p> But a leaner business might be easier to control. While Uber continues to expect it won’t turn a profit, even on an adjusted Ebitda basis, until the fourth quarter of this year,Lyft was able to do soearlier, in part by pulling harder on simple levers. The company said revenue per ride increased 7% sequentially in the second quarter, counteracting still depressed ride volume due to driver shortages. Both companies have raised prices on U.S. ride-hailing transactions amid the pandemic. But fresh Edison Trends data show for the week ended July 19, Uber’s consumers spent 24% more on transactions than they did the comparable week last year, while Lyft’s consumers spent 35% more.</p><p><blockquote>但更精简的业务可能更容易控制。虽然 Uber 仍预计要到今年第四季度才能扭亏为盈，即使是调整后的 Ebitda，Lyft 也能更早地扭亏为盈，部分原因是通过更加努力地利用简单的杠杆。该公司表示，第二季度每次乘车的收入环比增长 7%，抵消了因司机短缺而导致的乘车量仍然低迷。疫情期间，两家公司都提高了美国网约车交易的价格。但最新的 Edison Trends 数据显示，在截至 7 月 19 日的一周内，Uber 消费者的交易支出比去年同期增加了 24%，而Lyft消费者的交易支出则增加了 35%。</blockquote></p><p> It is worth noting that, while Lyft has boasted about its ability to achieve so-called profits, it also clearly defined itself on a conference call Tuesday as “a growth company.” All in, its net loss still totaled hundreds of millions in the second quarter, although it narrowed. Meanwhile, Uber seems confident it has found a path to near-term profitability, but it is unclear to what degree further investments in new drivers will be needed as consumer demand continues to improve.</p><p><blockquote>值得注意的是，虽然Lyft吹嘘自己有能力实现所谓的利润，但它也在周二的电话会议上明确将自己定义为 “成长型公司”。总而言之，其第二季度净亏损总额仍达数亿，尽管有所收窄。与此同时，优步似乎有信心找到了近期盈利的道路，但目前尚不清楚随着消费者需求的持续改善，需要在多大程度上进一步投资新司机。</blockquote></p><p> Especially with the Covid-19 Delta variant continuing to spread, investors looking to bank on either strategy today may be left waiting for a ride.</p><p><blockquote>特别是随着 Covid-19 德尔塔变异毒株继续蔓延，今天希望依赖这两种策略的投资者可能只能等待机会。</blockquote></p><p></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Uber, Lyft Drive Investors Away<blockquote>优步、Lyft赶走投资者</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nUber, Lyft Drive Investors Away<blockquote>优步、Lyft赶走投资者</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n<p class=\"head\">\n<strong class=\"h-name small\">The Wall Street Journal</strong><span class=\"h-time small\">2021-08-05 21:08</span>\n</p>\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\n<p>  Ride-hailing companies have spent dearly to compete for the same riders; now they are spending to compete for the same drivers.  Is the optimal strategy in ride-hailing growth or profits? Investors can’t have it both ways.</p><p><blockquote>网约车公司花费巨资争夺同样的骑手；现在他们正在花钱争夺同样的司机。网约车的最优策略是增长还是利润？投资者不能两全其美。</blockquote></p><p> AfterLyftLYFT-10.56%said it achieved profitability on the basis of adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization on Tuesday, Uber said Wednesday that its losses deepened sequentially on that basis as it made investments in driver recovery. Shares of Lyft fell more than 9% the day after its report while Uber’s shares fell 8% in after-hours trading immediately following the release of itssecond quarter results.</p><p><blockquote>继LyftLyft-10.56%表示，周二根据调整后的息税折旧摊销前利润实现盈利后，Uber周三表示，随着对司机康复进行投资，其亏损在此基础上逐步加深。Lyft的股价在报告发布后的第二天下跌了 9% 以上，而 Uber 的股价在发布第二季度业绩后立即在盘后交易中下跌了 8%。</blockquote></p><p> Investors have become uncomfortable with ride-hailing companies paying dearly to compete for the same riders as they work to grow their market share. Now they arepaying to compete for the same driversas theywork to rebuild their supplyafter the pandemic decimated ride-hailing demand.</p><p><blockquote>投资者对打车公司在努力扩大市场份额时支付高额费用来争夺相同的乘客感到不安。现在，他们正在花钱争夺同样的司机，因为他们正在努力在疫情大幅削弱打车需求后重建供应。</blockquote></p><p> They may not be investing equally. Lyft said it significantly increased its investments in incentives and sign-on bonuses to boost its driver base in the second quarter, expecting elevated incentives to continue into the third quarter. But Uber appears to have been more aggressive. While the company reported overall revenue that beat Wall Street’s estimate, it also lost 58% more than analysts had forecast on an adjusted Ebitda basis.</p><p><blockquote>他们可能不会平等地投资。Lyft表示，第二季度大幅增加了在激励措施和签约奖金方面的投资，以扩大其司机基础，预计激励措施的提高将持续到第三季度。但优步似乎更加激进。虽然该公司公布的总收入超出了华尔街的预期，但按调整后的 Ebitda 计算，其亏损也比分析师的预测高出 58%。</blockquote></p><p> At this point, it is still unclear which company’s investment strategy is yielding the most bang for its buck. Lyft said its rideshare rides in the second quarter were still “well below” the levels reached in the fourth quarter of 2019. While not a perfect comparison, Uber’s second quarter trips—a reflection of both supply and demand—were down just over 20% from the same period.</p><p><blockquote>目前，尚不清楚哪家公司的投资策略最划算。Lyft表示，其第二季度的共享乘车量仍 “远低于 ”2019 年第四季度的水平。虽然这并不是一个完美的比较，但 Uber 第二季度的出行次数--反映了供需两方面的情况--比同期下降了 20% 多一点。</blockquote></p><p> <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7f98a2ba57a4b018b3db0d420b862bc4\" tg-width=\"338\" tg-height=\"422\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\">Lyft’s results show its active riders were still down more than 21% in the second quarter from the same period in 2019. The company also said its sales and marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue in the second quarter were near record lows. This is in part a reflection of its depressed driver count: It isn’t worth over-spending to acquire customers you can’t even service. By contrast, Uber was able to grow its monthly active platform consumers in the second quarter relative to the same period two years ago.</p><p><blockquote>Lyft的结果显示，其第二季度的活跃骑手数量仍比 2019 年同期下降了 21% 以上。该公司还表示，第二季度销售和营销费用占收入的百分比接近历史低点。这在一定程度上反映了其司机数量的低迷： 不值得花太多钱去获取你甚至无法服务的客户。相比之下，与两年前同期相比，优步第二季度的月活跃平台消费者有所增长。</blockquote></p><p> While Lyft was clear this week that it likes its chances as a ride-hailing pure play, Uber continued to stress its unique value proposition marrying consumers’ ride-hailing and food-delivery needs, noting cross-pollination. Investors will now need to place their bets on which strategy will emerge from the pandemic in a more sustainable position.</p><p><blockquote>虽然Lyft本周明确表示，它喜欢作为打车纯业务的机会，但 Uber 继续强调其独特的价值主张，将消费者的打车和送餐需求结合起来，并指出了异花授粉。投资者现在需要押注哪种策略将从疫情中脱颖而出，处于更可持续的地位。</blockquote></p><p> Uber’s Chief Executive Officer Dara Khosrowshahi has said its mobility business has been an even more effective customer acquisition tool for its delivery business than dollars spent on delivery marketing. On Wednesday the company said its consumers who engage with both its mobility and its delivery businesses are now generating nearly half of its overall gross bookings, implying significant customer crossover.</p><p><blockquote>Uber 首席执行官达拉-科斯罗萨希（Dara Khosrowshahi）曾表示，与用于送货营销的资金相比，Uber 的移动业务一直是送货业务更有效的客户获取工具。周三，该公司表示，参与其移动和送货业务的消费者目前占其总预订量的近一半，这意味着客户出现了显着的交叉。</blockquote></p><p> But a leaner business might be easier to control. While Uber continues to expect it won’t turn a profit, even on an adjusted Ebitda basis, until the fourth quarter of this year,Lyft was able to do soearlier, in part by pulling harder on simple levers. The company said revenue per ride increased 7% sequentially in the second quarter, counteracting still depressed ride volume due to driver shortages. Both companies have raised prices on U.S. ride-hailing transactions amid the pandemic. But fresh Edison Trends data show for the week ended July 19, Uber’s consumers spent 24% more on transactions than they did the comparable week last year, while Lyft’s consumers spent 35% more.</p><p><blockquote>但更精简的业务可能更容易控制。虽然 Uber 仍预计要到今年第四季度才能扭亏为盈，即使是调整后的 Ebitda，Lyft 也能更早地扭亏为盈，部分原因是通过更加努力地利用简单的杠杆。该公司表示，第二季度每次乘车的收入环比增长 7%，抵消了因司机短缺而导致的乘车量仍然低迷。疫情期间，两家公司都提高了美国网约车交易的价格。但最新的 Edison Trends 数据显示，在截至 7 月 19 日的一周内，Uber 消费者的交易支出比去年同期增加了 24%，而Lyft消费者的交易支出则增加了 35%。</blockquote></p><p> It is worth noting that, while Lyft has boasted about its ability to achieve so-called profits, it also clearly defined itself on a conference call Tuesday as “a growth company.” All in, its net loss still totaled hundreds of millions in the second quarter, although it narrowed. Meanwhile, Uber seems confident it has found a path to near-term profitability, but it is unclear to what degree further investments in new drivers will be needed as consumer demand continues to improve.</p><p><blockquote>值得注意的是，虽然Lyft吹嘘自己有能力实现所谓的利润，但它也在周二的电话会议上明确将自己定义为 “成长型公司”。总而言之，其第二季度净亏损总额仍达数亿，尽管有所收窄。与此同时，优步似乎有信心找到了近期盈利的道路，但目前尚不清楚随着消费者需求的持续改善，需要在多大程度上进一步投资新司机。</blockquote></p><p> Especially with the Covid-19 Delta variant continuing to spread, investors looking to bank on either strategy today may be left waiting for a ride.</p><p><blockquote>特别是随着 Covid-19 德尔塔变异毒株继续蔓延，今天希望依赖这两种策略的投资者可能只能等待机会。</blockquote></p><p></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> 来源：<a href=\"https://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-lyft-drive-investors-away-11628115638?mod=markets_lead_pos12\">The Wall Street Journal</a></p>\n<p>为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化</p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"LYFT":"Lyft, Inc.","UBER":"优步"},"source_url":"https://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-lyft-drive-investors-away-11628115638?mod=markets_lead_pos12","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1151835705","content_text":"Ride-hailing companies have spent dearly to compete for the same riders; now they are spending to compete for the same drivers.\n\nIs the optimal strategy in ride-hailing growth or profits? Investors can’t have it both ways.\nAfterLyftLYFT-10.56%said it achieved profitability on the basis of adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization on Tuesday, Uber said Wednesday that its losses deepened sequentially on that basis as it made investments in driver recovery. Shares of Lyft fell more than 9% the day after its report while Uber’s shares fell 8% in after-hours trading immediately following the release of itssecond quarter results.\nInvestors have become uncomfortable with ride-hailing companies paying dearly to compete for the same riders as they work to grow their market share. Now they arepaying to compete for the same driversas theywork to rebuild their supplyafter the pandemic decimated ride-hailing demand.\nThey may not be investing equally. Lyft said it significantly increased its investments in incentives and sign-on bonuses to boost its driver base in the second quarter, expecting elevated incentives to continue into the third quarter. But Uber appears to have been more aggressive. While the company reported overall revenue that beat Wall Street’s estimate, it also lost 58% more than analysts had forecast on an adjusted Ebitda basis.\nAt this point, it is still unclear which company’s investment strategy is yielding the most bang for its buck. Lyft said its rideshare rides in the second quarter were still “well below” the levels reached in the fourth quarter of 2019. While not a perfect comparison, Uber’s second quarter trips—a reflection of both supply and demand—were down just over 20% from the same period.\nLyft’s results show its active riders were still down more than 21% in the second quarter from the same period in 2019. The company also said its sales and marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue in the second quarter were near record lows. This is in part a reflection of its depressed driver count: It isn’t worth over-spending to acquire customers you can’t even service. By contrast, Uber was able to grow its monthly active platform consumers in the second quarter relative to the same period two years ago.\nWhile Lyft was clear this week that it likes its chances as a ride-hailing pure play, Uber continued to stress its unique value proposition marrying consumers’ ride-hailing and food-delivery needs, noting cross-pollination. Investors will now need to place their bets on which strategy will emerge from the pandemic in a more sustainable position.\nUber’s Chief Executive Officer Dara Khosrowshahi has said its mobility business has been an even more effective customer acquisition tool for its delivery business than dollars spent on delivery marketing. On Wednesday the company said its consumers who engage with both its mobility and its delivery businesses are now generating nearly half of its overall gross bookings, implying significant customer crossover.\nBut a leaner business might be easier to control. While Uber continues to expect it won’t turn a profit, even on an adjusted Ebitda basis, until the fourth quarter of this year,Lyft was able to do soearlier, in part by pulling harder on simple levers. The company said revenue per ride increased 7% sequentially in the second quarter, counteracting still depressed ride volume due to driver shortages. Both companies have raised prices on U.S. ride-hailing transactions amid the pandemic. But fresh Edison Trends data show for the week ended July 19, Uber’s consumers spent 24% more on transactions than they did the comparable week last year, while Lyft’s consumers spent 35% more.\nIt is worth noting that, while Lyft has boasted about its ability to achieve so-called profits, it also clearly defined itself on a conference call Tuesday as “a growth company.” All in, its net loss still totaled hundreds of millions in the second quarter, although it narrowed. Meanwhile, Uber seems confident it has found a path to near-term profitability, but it is unclear to what degree further investments in new drivers will be needed as consumer demand continues to improve.\nEspecially with the Covid-19 Delta variant continuing to spread, investors looking to bank on either strategy today may be left waiting for a ride.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"UBER":0.9,"LYFT":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":1998,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":899625728,"gmtCreate":1628180194864,"gmtModify":1633752848831,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3585485440933501","authorIdStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"Will it keep increasing?&nbsp;","listText":"Will it keep increasing?&nbsp;","text":"Will it keep increasing?","images":[{"img":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a3fe69c73483754594e149db5bf11fae","width":"1125","height":"3613"}],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/899625728","isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3138,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":1,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":801758035,"gmtCreate":1627537198527,"gmtModify":1633763995479,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3585485440933501","authorIdStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"Apple👍🏻","listText":"Apple👍🏻","text":"Apple👍🏻","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/801758035","repostId":"1182616893","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1182616893","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1627484855,"share":"https://www.laohunote.com/m/news/1182616893?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-07-28 23:07","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1182616893","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business ","content":"<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nApple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n<p class=\"head\">\n<strong class=\"h-name small\">seekingalpha</strong><span class=\"h-time small\">2021-07-28 23:07</span>\n</p>\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\n<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> 来源：<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business\">seekingalpha</a></p>\n<p>为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化</p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AAPL":"苹果"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1182616893","content_text":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business is more valuable than products.\nApple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.\nNo need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.\n\nyalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images\nAfter another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.\nIs this the best business in the world?\nNo less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.\nFor years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.\nBecause Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):\nSource:Inomics.com\nThat is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).\nAnd still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.\nThird Quarter earnings look great\nApple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"\nInstead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:\nSource: Author, from company earnings reports\nSo as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.\nThis was just a great quarter.\nA simple model for Apple's earnings\nThe job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:\nSource: Koyfin\nFor the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.\nThese two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:\nSource: Apple\nSource: Apple form 10K\nAs you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:\nSource: Apple form 10Q\nSo all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.\nFor the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.\nFor the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.\nIn last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:\nProducts: $68 billion\nServices: $33 billion\nTo arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:\nSource: Author\nSo using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.\nOn the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.\nConclusion\nThere are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.\nI wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"AAPL":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":3044,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0},{"id":801751973,"gmtCreate":1627537107392,"gmtModify":1633763996045,"author":{"id":"3585485440933501","authorId":"3585485440933501","name":"Debdebz","avatar":"https://static.laohu8.com/default-avatar.jpg","crmLevel":11,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"followedFlag":false,"idStr":"3585485440933501","authorIdStr":"3585485440933501"},"themes":[],"title":"","htmlText":"[Grin]&nbsp;","listText":"[Grin]&nbsp;","text":"[Grin]","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":0,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://laohu8.com/post/801751973","repostId":"1182616893","repostType":4,"repost":{"id":"1182616893","kind":"news","pubTimestamp":1627484855,"share":"https://www.laohunote.com/m/news/1182616893?lang=zh_CN&edition=full","pubTime":"2021-07-28 23:07","market":"us","language":"en","title":"Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1182616893","media":"seekingalpha","summary":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business ","content":"<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>Apple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nApple: Big Quarter For The World's Greatest Business<blockquote>苹果：全球最大企业的大季度</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n<p class=\"head\">\n<strong class=\"h-name small\">seekingalpha</strong><span class=\"h-time small\">2021-07-28 23:07</span>\n</p>\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\n<p><b>Summary</b></p><p><blockquote><b>总结</b></blockquote></p><p> <ul>  <li>Another great quarter shows a high price may be justified.</li>  <li>Growth in the Services business is more valuable than products.</li>  <li>Apple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.</li>  <li>No need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.</li> </ul> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/a6f7d2554112e4dee2a40087e9bf4cc7\" tg-width=\"768\" tg-height=\"512\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images</span></p><p><blockquote><ul><li>另一个伟大的季度表明高价格可能是合理的。</li><li>服务业务的增长比产品更有价值。</li><li>苹果看起来是一家伟大的公司，但估值相当高。</li><li>这里没有必要买，但也没有理由卖。</li></ul><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>yalcinsonat1/iStock 来自盖蒂图片社</span></p></blockquote></p><p> After another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.</p><p><blockquote>在又一个出色的季度之后，我对苹果 (AAPL) 所取得的成就、喜爱其产品的客户数量以及所有这些带来的财务业绩感到有点敬畏。我真的对这些盈利数字之大感到惊讶。我在这里的目标只是解释我将如何对苹果股票进行一系列估值，然后我们可以向后计算出不同股价水平“内置”了什么样的假设。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Is this the best business in the world?</b></p><p><blockquote><b>这是世界上最好的生意吗？</b></blockquote></p><p> No less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.</p><p><blockquote>不亚于沃伦·巴菲特的权威称苹果“可能是世界上最好的企业”，原因很容易理解。苹果的主要产品是iPhone（带流行配件）、Mac电脑和iPad。</blockquote></p><p> For years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.</p><p><blockquote>多年来，我犯了一个错误，那就是通过将苹果产品的功能和规格与类似价位的其他产品进行比较来分析苹果产品。这是一个巨大的错误。相反，在这种情况下，正确的看法是人们对公司的感觉。它的产品不仅让人快乐，而且已经成为人们身份的一部分。我通常不会在分析文章中以这种方式奉承一家公司或其产品，但这对我想说的下一点很重要。</blockquote></p><p> Because Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):</p><p><blockquote>由于苹果的产品受到客户的高度重视，其产品具有很高的消费者剩余（下图中的粉红色区域）：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/bb0d32106e13dc45cccafb285b3f3826\" tg-width=\"585\" tg-height=\"579\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source:Inomics.com</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Inomics.com</span></p></blockquote></p><p> That is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).</p><p><blockquote>也就是说，许多人愿意为他们从iPhone中获得的东西支付更多费用。这对苹果的业务来说意味着两件重要的事情。首先，随着时间的推移，他们有一些涨价的空间。其次，竞争对手很难以类似的价格提供其他令人满意的东西。这意味着苹果追求利润最大化策略，将价格保持在相对较低的水平（也就是说，你知道有多少已经拥有iPhone的人会选择不同的手机，即使他们不得不额外支付100美元？）.</blockquote></p><p> And still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.</p><p><blockquote>尽管如此，该业务的盈利能力仍然巨大。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Third Quarter earnings look great</b></p><p><blockquote><b>第三季度盈利看起来不错</b></blockquote></p><p> Apple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"</p><p><blockquote>苹果第三季度业绩非常强劲，销售额接近 820 亿美元，净利润超过 210 亿美元。新闻报道谈到了同比增长，我认为苹果只是在克服“轻松调整”，因为一年前是新冠肺炎疫情和封锁最糟糕的时期。也就是说，我预计本季度本身就会疲软，随后的业绩不仅会出现异常低的基数，而且还会包括一些延迟购买，因为原本会提前购买的人“赶上”。</blockquote></p><p> Instead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:</p><p><blockquote>相反，我惊讶地发现苹果在2020年第三季度也有增长（苹果的财年在9月底结束，所以我们在第三季度）!该电子表格显示了过去三年第三季度的收入和盈利增长情况：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/d45679571c0de1db41e28b83d33d6349\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"203\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author, from company earnings reports</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：作者，来自公司收益报告</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.</p><p><blockquote>因此，正如我们所看到的，苹果实际上通过疫情深处的产品销售和服务增加了收入。因此，如果有一个“容易补偿”的问题，它仍然是一个增长的业务。同样有可能的是，如果没有旅行或在餐馆吃饭的选择，有可支配收入的人更有可能花在苹果产品上。</blockquote></p><p> This was just a great quarter.</p><p><blockquote>这是一个很棒的季度。</blockquote></p><p> <b>A simple model for Apple's earnings</b></p><p><blockquote><b>苹果盈利的简单模型</b></blockquote></p><p> The job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:</p><p><blockquote>现在的工作是把这个放在上下文中。我使用苹果过去五年过去 12 个月的收益制作了这张图表，不仅显示了我们正在谈论的规模，还显示了我们正在谈论的增长：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/38d70528687fa0c27af0e4ef2041585d\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"331\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Koyfin</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：Koyfin</span></p></blockquote></p><p> For the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.</p><p><blockquote>过去四个季度，净利润为 860 亿美元。但正如我们上面看到的，苹果将其销售分为两个部分，产品和服务。服务正在快速增长。</blockquote></p><p> These two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:</p><p><blockquote>苹果上一份年度报告中的这两个项目讲述了一个不断增长且利润越来越高的服务业务的故事：</blockquote></p><p></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/639441b9f33b4c8b2f99441d75311cdf\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"191\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果</span></p></blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/8dd6062dede578f1362242b659308402\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"156\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10K</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10K</span></p></blockquote></p><p> As you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:</p><p><blockquote>正如您在第一张图表中看到的，服务收入在三年内从近 400 亿美元增长到近 540 亿美元，在第二张图表中您可以看到，随着收入的增加，它的盈利能力越来越强，毛利率也在增加。这在软件和媒体工作中很常见；如果您的服务可以为 100 万客户支付账单，并且您可以免费添加另一个客户，那么每增加一个客户就是“纯利润”。我们可以看到，这些趋势在今年前三季度才有所增加：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/19a271923040bd86ee7f9389e7a14cc2\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"178\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Apple form 10Q</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>资料来源：苹果表格 10Q</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.</p><p><blockquote>因此，所有这些都是为了说，我不想用 860 亿美元的数字来评估苹果的未来，而是想对“产品”和“服务”业务分别进行倍数。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.</p><p><blockquote>过去九个月，苹果的毛利率接近1180亿美元。在同一个 10 季度，他们报告的运营费用为 325 亿美元，所得税为 118 亿美元。如果我们将这些产品和服务假设视为独立的业务，并在它们之间分配这些费用和税收，我会按照它们在毛利率中的份额比例进行分配。因此，325亿美元的运营费用和118亿美元的所得税中，29%用于服务，71%用于产品。</blockquote></p><p> For the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.</p><p><blockquote>在过去的9个月里，这意味着产品将赚取510亿美元，服务将赚取250亿美元。我意识到这个粗略的数字比苹果报告的净利润高出 20 亿美元，但这没关系，因为我们在这里做了很多假设。</blockquote></p><p> In last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:</p><p><blockquote>去年第四季度，苹果的收入仅略高于第三季度。所以要估算一整年，我只是把我九个月的数字乘以4/3。我得到了以下部分的全年估计：</blockquote></p><p> Products: $68 billion</p><p><blockquote>产品：680亿美元</blockquote></p><p> Services: $33 billion</p><p><blockquote>服务：330亿美元</blockquote></p><p> To arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:</p><p><blockquote>为了得出估值，我想提供一系列倍数，让读者找到她认为最合理的数字：</blockquote></p><p> <p class=\"t-img-caption\"><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/52dfe1fc61655b211e640159d477cad5\" tg-width=\"640\" tg-height=\"133\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\"><span>Source: Author</span></p><p><blockquote><p class=\"t-img-caption\"><span>来源：作者</span></p></blockquote></p><p> So using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.</p><p><blockquote>因此，使用我的“信封背面”数字，我会很乐意以 16 倍的价格购买苹果的产品业务，25 倍的价格购买其服务，其收益率和企业价值为 1,088 美元 + 825 美元 = 1,913 美元。再加上苹果公司 890 亿美元的额外净现金，我有兴趣购买市值为 2002 亿美元的股票，比最近的价格低约 16%，即每股 123 美元。</blockquote></p><p> On the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.</p><p><blockquote>另一方面，我开始担心，如果我们为产品业务支付超过 25 倍，为服务业务支付超过 33 倍，那么估值可能会超前。因此，在 1,700 美元 + 1089 美元 + 89 美元 = 28,780 亿美元或每股 173 美元的市值下，我认为今天支付这个价格太高了，无法获得良好的回报。</blockquote></p><p> <b>Conclusion</b></p><p><blockquote><b>结论</b></blockquote></p><p> There are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.</p><p><blockquote>有很多事情可能会阻止苹果成为一项好的投资，但当看到这样的结果时，很难想象它们。我不会担心别人制造更好的手机。相反，我最担心的是“未知的未知”，比如一些技术变革，这使得苹果在客户满意度方面的优势与iPhone相比变得不那么相关。</blockquote></p><p> I wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. I would be interested in buying (or selling puts) below $120 share.</p><p><blockquote>我希望我能在这里对苹果的股价得出更坚定的买入/卖出结论，但基于一些合理的假设，我认为它的价值相当高。我有兴趣购买（或出售）低于 120 美元每股的看跌期权。</blockquote></p><p></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> 来源：<a href=\"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business\">seekingalpha</a></p>\n<p>为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化</p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"AAPL":"苹果"},"source_url":"https://seekingalpha.com/article/4442013-apple-big-quarter-for-the-worlds-greatest-business","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1182616893","content_text":"Summary\n\nAnother great quarter shows a high price may be justified.\nGrowth in the Services business is more valuable than products.\nApple looks like a great company, but a fairly valued one.\nNo need to buy here, but no reason to sell either.\n\nyalcinsonat1/iStock via Getty Images\nAfter another great quarter, I'm kind of awed by what Apple (AAPL) has accomplished, the number of customers who love their products and the financial results all that brings together. I'm genuinely surprised by how big these earnings numbers get. My goal here is just to explain how I would put a range of valuations on Apple's stock, and then we can work backwards to figure out what kinds of assumptions are \"baked in\" to different stock price levels.\nIs this the best business in the world?\nNo less an authority than Warren Buffett has called Apple \"probably the best business in the world\" and it's easy to understand why. Apple's primary products are the iPhone (with popularaccessories) and Mac computers and the iPad.\nFor years I made the mistake of analyzing Apple's products by comparing their capabilities and specifications to other products at similar price points. This was a huge mistake. Rather, the right way to look at it in this case is how people feel about the company.Its products not only make people happy, but they have become part of people's identities. I wouldn't normally fawn over a company or its products in this way in an analytical article, but it's important for the next point I want to make.\nBecause Apple's products are so highly valued by its customers, its products have a high consumer surplus (pink area in the graph below):\nSource:Inomics.com\nThat is to say that many people would be willing to pay more for what they get from their iPhones. This means two important things for Apple's business. First, they have some room to increase prices over time. Second, it would be very difficult for a competitor to offer something else as satisfying at a similar price. That means that Apple pursues a profit-maximizing strategy by keeping its prices relatively low compared to what it could charge(i.e., how many people do you know who already have iPhones would pick a different phone even if they had to pay an extra $100?).\nAnd still, the earnings power of the business is enormous.\nThird Quarter earnings look great\nApple's third quarter resultswere extremely strong, with almost $82 billion in sales and over $21 billion in net income. News reports have talked about year-over-year growth and I assumed that Apple would be merely overcoming an \"easy comp\" since one year ago was some of the worst of the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns. That is to say I expected this quarter to be weak in its own right and subsequent results would not only be coming off an unusually low base, but would also include some delayed purchases as people who would have bought early \"caught up.\"\nInstead I was surprised to find that Apple also grew in the third quarter of 2020 (Apple's fiscal year ends at the end of September, so we're in the third quarter)! This spreadsheet shows how revenue and earnings have grown in the last threeyears' worth of third quarters:\nSource: Author, from company earnings reports\nSo as we can see, Apple in fact grew earnings through both product sales and services in the depths of the pandemic. So if there's an \"easy comp\" problem, it's still in a business that grew anyhow. Just as likely is that without the option to travel or eat in restaurants, people with disposable income were more likely to spend on Apple products.\nThis was just a great quarter.\nA simple model for Apple's earnings\nThe job now is to put this in context. I made this chart using Apple's trailing twelve month earnings for the last five years to show not only the scale but also the growth of what we're talking about:\nSource: Koyfin\nFor the last four quarters, net income is $86 billion. But as we saw above, Apple breaks its sales into two segments, products and services. And services is growing apace.\nThese two items from Apple's last annual report tell the tale of a growing and increasingly profitable services business:\nSource: Apple\nSource: Apple form 10K\nAs you can see in the first chart, Services revenue grew over three years from almost $40 billion to almost $54 billion, and in the second chart you can see that it became increasingly profitable with gross margins increasing as revenue increased. This is common in software and media endeavors; if your service can pay the bills with 1 million customers and you add another customer for free, each additional one is \"pure profit.\" We can see that these trends have only increased in the first three quarters of this year:\nSource: Apple form 10Q\nSo all this is to say that rather than use the $86 billion number to value Apple going forward, I want to put separate multiples on the \"Products\" and \"Services\" businesses.\nFor the last nine months, Apple had a gross margin of almost $118 billion. In the same 10Q they reported $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes. If we considered these Products and Services assumptions as separate businesses and allocated those expenses and taxes among them, I would do it in proportion to their share of gross margin. So 29% of that $32.5 billion in operating expenses and $11.8 billion in income taxes goes to Services, and 71% to Products.\nFor the last nine months, that means Products would have earned $51 billion and Services would have earned $25 billion. I realize this rough number is 2 billion higher than the amount Apple reported as net income, but that's OK since we're making a lot of assumptions here.\nIn last year's fourth quarter Apple only earned slightly more than in the third. So to estimate a full year, I'm just multiplying my nine-month numbers by 4/3. I get a full year estimates of the following by segment:\nProducts: $68 billion\nServices: $33 billion\nTo arrive at a valuation, I want to offer a range of multiples and let the reader find the number that seems most reasonable to her:\nSource: Author\nSo using my \"back-of-the-envelope\" numbers, I would feel pretty comfortable buying Apple at a 16x multiple for its products business and a 25x multiple for its services, which yields and an enterprise value of $1,088 + $825 = $1,913. Throw in Apple's $89 billion in additional net cash, and I would be interested in buying shares at a market capitalization of $2,002 billion, or about 16% below recent prices - namely $123 per share.\nOn the other hand, I would start to be concerned that if we paid more than 25x for the Products business and 33x for the services business that perhaps the valuation is getting ahead of itself. So at a market cap of $1,700 + $1089 + $89 = $2,878 billion or $173 share, I would think that's too high a price to pay today to earn a good return.\nConclusion\nThere are a lot of things that could go keep Apple from being a good investment, but it's hard to imagine them when looking at results like this. I wouldn't be concerned about someone else building a better phone. Rather what would concern me most are the \"unknown unknowns\" such as some kid of change of technology that makes Apple's advantage in customer satisfaction from the iPhone not that relevant.\nI wish I could reach more of a firm buy/sell conclusion about Apple's share price here, but it looks fairly valued to me based on some reasonable assumptions. 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