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徐家小妹萌萌哒

2020-10-12

$蔚来(NIO)$这周马上就要提es6了[捂脸] 人生第一辆车

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2019-12-13

$AMD(AMD)$ 有人记得机构猎杀者不，他去年信誓旦旦的说amd两年内会跌到5块，，还有一年时间

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2018-04-26

12.5的成本，跪求给个机会下车

$AMD(AMD)$随你涨多少我再也不买你了，就想下车不玩了。

12.5的成本，跪求给个机会下车

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2020-10-13

$蔚来(NIO)$苍老师就这?26.54买进去就跌到23了。

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2017-08-01

$安徳玛公司A类股 (UAA)$ 还没出?磨蹭什么

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2017-05-08

$Horizon Pharma(HZNP)$ 大哥求求你别跌啦

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2016-09-22

$诺瓦瓦克斯医药(NVAX)$ 走了，不贪

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2016-04-29

狂跌百分之15

$GroupOn(GRPN)$ 又被套了20个点，，这票还有救吗

狂跌百分之15

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2020-11-13

$蔚来(NIO)$我36减了四分之三的仓位，唉真心看不懂，虽然自己也是车主，算了吧看不懂的钱就不赚了。

徐家小妹萌萌哒

2019-10-25

$有道(DAO)$ 中签率这么高，，感觉要死了

徐家小妹萌萌哒

2020-07-06

$蔚来(NIO)$以后没有10元以下的蔚来了

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2017-11-24

$红黄蓝(RYB)$ 这股，今晚谁做多谁亲妈爆炸

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2017-09-27

$晶科能源(JKS)$ @我四十块的百济神州换了你这个垃圾，，气哭了

徐家小妹萌萌哒

2017-01-11

$欢聚时代(YY)$ 套了几个月了，，还要到什么时候

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2017-02-04

$欢聚时代(YY)$ 真没意思

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2021-02-22

$AMD(AMD)$怎么回事呀，今年以来一直跌

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2021-01-29

$晶科能源(JKS)$你看看$昱辉阳光(SOL)$再看看你，垃圾李仙德

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2018-07-23

$长生生物(002680)$a股真牛啊，出事就停牌。。

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href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AAPL\">苹果</a>，一点都不为过。</p><p>为什么美国的新的造车势力起不来，从高维度分析有3个原因。</p><p><b>1，供应链的问题。</b>Rivian在2022年一共制造了不到25,000辆车，交付了大约20,000辆车。Lucid到现在也不公布它的2022年交付量，新闻媒体说今年应该可以生产6,000-7,000辆车。Rivian把产量上不去的原因部分归结于供应链问题，言下之意是它们拿不到零部件组装。这个完全可以理解，就像美国要开一个Android手机厂商，也会遇到拿不到零部件的问题，因为上游被中国基本上控制了。中国目前提炼世界上33%的镍，70%的锂和钴，99%的锰。</p><p>所以从这个角度来看，特斯拉当年在中国布局就非常明智了，市场和上游都能接触到。特斯拉的策略也很像苹果，尽管一定程度上受制于供应链，但是会尽可能自主研发。苹果手机的芯片是自己搞，特斯拉的电池也是自己搞，两者都不会完全依赖于供应链。自己搞的比例越大，成本就容易下去。去年车企普遍存在“缺芯”问题的时候，特斯拉的问题反而是最轻的。</p><p>所以从这个角度来看，美国的造车新势力，在美国的供应链建立起来之前，几乎是不可能发展起来的。产量很难上去，而产量上不去也就意味着成本下不来。</p><p><b>2，人才的问题。</b>特斯拉在发展过程中，曾经闹过一次高管纷纷离职，大概是2016-2017年。但是之后，人才就非常固定了。这批人，很多都是跟着特斯拉一起打江山的技术人员，这些技术人员对EV的整个发展都是了如指掌，可以说是世界最前沿。但是其他电动车新势力就很难有这样的人了，你别看Rivian上市融资了那么多，当年那么有钱，但是我就没听说过一个特斯拉高管从特斯拉转投Rivian的（有已经离职的特斯拉高管转投Rivian）。我相信Rivian肯定想挖人，但是没有成功。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/dc15c49bde5efa935f066237068b5e6a\" tg-width=\"421\" tg-height=\"145\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>下表是我们搜集的特斯拉的技术高管的任职时间，团队很稳定。的确，对于他们个人来说，待在特斯拉也是最佳选择。如果当初真的贪图Rivian上市的股票，估计现在肠子都悔青了。</p><p>倒是2016-2017年离职的那批人，最后都没什么好的归宿，比方说Nick Sampson离开特斯拉加入了FFIE，待了5年不到也离开了。最近刚加入BCG成为电动车咨询师，估计也是靠当年在特斯拉的经历。</p><p><b>3，美国造成新势力的CEO缺乏人设。</b>成功的科技公司，无论是不是电动车行业，都需要一个人设很强的CEO，这是灵魂。苹果的乔布斯，<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/MSFT\">微软</a>的盖茨，都为了这个品牌增色不少。中国的电动三宝的3个CEO人设也很强，所以也是能够活到今天的重要原因。人设很强的CEO，能够引来资金，能够引来人才，更能够让整个供应链配合公司。</p><p>但是美国的造车新势力，无论是Rivian还是Lucid，CEO的存在感很低。不是说我对他们不了解，看看他们的维基百科个人介绍的长度就知道了。相较而言，对于一分钱广告都不投入的特斯拉，就凭借着天天制造话题，树立了非常强的人设，这对于特斯拉的成功功不可没。</p><p>中国的造车新势力会逐步进入整合阶段，而美国的造车新势力估计很难有存在感。</p><p><b>2021年11月10日，星期三：Rivian今日上市，估值$770亿 </b></p><p>本月初的时候，Rivian的IPO指导价是$57-62，到上周五的时候，IPO指导价提高到$72-74。昨晚的最后定价是$78，公司预计从市场融资$120亿。这个融资规模，能在美国历史上排到第6或者第7名（看绿鞋的情况）。第1名还是由<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/BABA\">阿里巴巴</a>占据，当年融资$210亿。和阿里巴巴不一样的是，这家公司到目前为止，依然是0收入，说是一家PPT公司也不为过（下图，来自于公司最新S1）。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b7ce564820136ebc1f01c406213b1941\" tg-width=\"880\" tg-height=\"205\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/></p><p>这家公司最大的卖点，就是<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/AMZN\">亚马逊</a>的入股和支持，与其说这家公司的名字是Rivian，倒不如说是Amazon EV。我相信大部分机构抢购这家公司IPO，都是冲着亚马逊去的。亚马逊正在建立自己的快递车队，同时又承诺环境保护，Rivian的出现无疑和亚马逊的发展方向完美契合。Rivian承诺今年底会推出针对亚马逊的电动车，亚马逊也向Rivian订购了10万辆车。</p><p>大家都以为亚马逊是这家公司最大的卖点，但亚马逊其实是这家公司最大的软肋。</p><p>初创公司，特别是电动车初创公司，公司的创始人是一个标志性的“资产”。特斯拉的马斯克，<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/NIO\">蔚来</a>的李斌，理想的李想，小鹏的何小鹏，甚至是法拉第的贾老板，每个人都是电动汽车的“脸面”。不光是因为这些创始人都有自己的传奇故事，更重要的是，面对电动车这种烧钱多见效慢的企业，无论是面对企业内部员工还是外部投资人，必须要一个强有力的人坐镇才行。多少股东曾经想和马斯克撕破脸，多少内部员工到处黑特斯拉的工作环境和马斯克的独断专行，但最后在马斯克的铁血统治下，公司依旧能够顺利前行。</p><p>除了创始人本身的魅力要足够大之外，公司的股权/投票权，必须要赋予创始人足够多的权力。</p><p>马斯克虽然只拥有约23%的股权/投票权，但是他通过一些列复杂的法律手段，保证了他对公司的绝对控制。中国的电动三宝就更不用说了，李斌的投票权39.3%，李想的投票权71%，何小鹏的投票权56.6%。再来看看Rivian的持股结构（下图），创始人Robert J. Scaringe在IPO之后，占股2%（A+B），投票权9.5%。无论是从利益分配，还是公司控制上，完全看不到创始人的动力。干得好，是为了其它大股东打工，干得不好，随时被各种大股东炒鱿鱼。千万别小看创始人持股或者控制权力，亏损企业能够一直在精神上打着鸡血前行，全靠股权上对创始人的刺激。</p><p><img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/b150beeccc8da9dc36245803d737b0e8\" tg-width=\"917\" tg-height=\"553\" referrerpolicy=\"no-referrer\"/>除了创始人的股权过少外，亚马逊的持股数量更尴尬。</p><p>这个IPO最大的卖点之一，就是亚马逊和Rivian的10万辆车的合同。但仔细看S1文件，就会发现这个合同只是一个框架而已，并没有价格和数量的约束。（The EDV Agreement does not contain a minimum order quantity or minimum purchase requirements.）</p><p>很显然，亚马逊并非敞开胸怀拥抱Rivian，不然持股比例不可能只有20%左右。电动车是一个烧钱的行业大家都知道，要All-In是不可能的，但亚马逊又不愿意放弃战略投资，所以最后占比20%。亚马逊自认为20%的持股，进可攻退可守，但其它股东的持股决心，比亚马逊更不足。剩下的大股东持股比例也很平均。共同基金T Rowe Price（14.5%），中东投资公司Oryx不会对公司运营过度干预（12.2%），但这两家是说走就走；汽车公司Ford和Manheim (美国汽车<a href=\"https://laohu8.com/S/300959\">线上线下</a>交易平台Cox Automotive子公司)属于汽车相关行业，持股决心可能更强，但加起来持股才15%。一句话总结，大家都不愿意全力投入，都在想着自己的退路。而且一旦未来运营出现矛盾，这几家势必会玩各种宫斗剧，凑到50%的投票权。</p><p>当然，借着亚马逊的风，这家公司的股价肯定可以飞起来。但是从长远来看，无论是创始人还是大股东，全都在给自己留退路。最坏的情况，公司运营持续恶化，其它大股东不断撤离，最后亚马逊不得不被迫变成接盘侠，无限兜底。可惜，亚马逊现在还没预料到这种情况。</p></body></html>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; 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