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我就一手希尔伯克A
11-12
蔚来还搞这个?
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我就一手希尔伯克A
11-11
单边期权,迟早归零
@得陇又望蜀:11/10盘中
我就一手希尔伯克A
11-02
$蔚来(NIO)$
$理想汽车(LI)$
召回这是好事啊,瞬间成为五十万以上销量最高的换电汽车,秒杀垃圾蔚来,理想换电大有可为。
我就一手希尔伯克A
10-17
易车网是和前老板李斌彻底撕破脸了吗?
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我就一手希尔伯克A
10-16
$蔚来(NIO)$
GIC主要起诉的内容和3年前灰熊的做空报告如出一辙,均是认为:蔚来通过其关联公司武汉蔚能电池资产有限公司(以下简称蔚能)夸大了收入与利润。 这其实是一则旧闻:https://www.jiemian.com/article/7668911.html 我们都知道蔚来的电池租用服务(BaaS),相关电池所有权归属于蔚能,用户通过每月支付租金来使用电池。这确实能显著降低购车门槛(车价可降低7万至12.8万元)。 BaaS租电模式对蔚来销量推动是非常重要的,比如今年全新ES8的BaaS租电占比达到90%,而蔚来其他车型(包括乐道、萤火虫)BaaS也常年占比达50%-70% 。 那么BaaS租电是如何在财务上走流程的呢?其实就是蔚来联合相关电池公司成立一个蔚能公司,然后蔚来将电池销售给蔚能,并在财务上一次性确认全部收入(这是GIC起诉的核心原因)。 我简单捋一下GIC的起诉逻辑: 1.GIC和灰熊均认为:照传统的租赁业务,蔚来BaaS模式卖车是不能一次确认整车收入的,如果客户选择电池租赁,你就只能确认不带电池的车辆收入,然后电池租金收入逐月确认。 2.2022年灰熊的做空报告中认为,蔚来通过向蔚能过度供应电池和提前拉动收入,截至2021年9月的9个月里,虚报了26亿元人民币的收入(约占该时期收入的10%)和17.77亿元的净利润(约占该时期净利润的95%)。 3.GIC认为如果蔚来电池租金如果是逐月确认的话,那么2020年蔚来那年业绩就不会爆发式增长…… 3.蔚来2020年业绩不爆发增长,那GIC就不会在2021年60多美元的时候高位接盘了…… 我认为这件事,其实非常扯淡!理由如下: 1.蔚来的财务审计是交给普华永
我就一手希尔伯克A
09-28
在6.5,6元分别放了一万股买单,来砸盘吧。
@IK股票世界:
$蔚来(NIO)$
光看消息面是支撑不住现在的股价的,这周多空博弈激烈,周五收盘大跌,终究多头失去阵地,基本面上无法盈利的局面不再复述,日线技术面上出现了kdj死叉,macd零轴上方死叉,rsi6下穿rsi12,蜡烛图出现双重顶格局,周线的指标也有恶化趋势,就看下周多头能否挽回局面了,目前看下行空间已经打开了
$奇瑞汽车(09973)$
我就一手希尔伯克A
09-18
$蔚来(NIO)$
蔚来增发那天,我很幸运的加仓了些,这几天走势很好。 蔚来社区之前的唱空者,吃屎者少了很多。但看了一些逆天虎友的发言,有点明白为蔚来车黑都是些什么人。 我简单分析下当时加仓思路。 首先,蔚来增发,无疑是因为流动资金周转紧张,准备几万辆es8交付显然是一项巨大的工作,半年度财报账面流动资金才七十亿,显然需要大量现金。 根据公开报告,蔚来es8的第一代 ES8 的起售价 44.8 万元,但 BOM(物料清单)成本接近 40 万元。 这种不计成本的用料理念,一直延续到了第二代 ES8。第二代 ES8 切换到 NT2.0 平台仍在做加法,全系标配 33 个感知硬件、四颗 Orin X 芯片,采用双腔空气悬架+CDC 动态阻尼控制系统,车辆起售价格也从原来的 44.8 万元涨到了 49.6 万元,所以BOM不可能下降,估计在四十万以上。 到了现在的第三代es8,根据中信证券报告显示,对比第二代蔚来 ES8,新 ES8 的 BOM 成本下降了 18.6%,按之前40万算,物料成本显然也超过30万。 我们简单计算下,30万一辆,准备5万辆,需要的资金就高达150亿人民币。 这是蔚来必须增发的基本原因,这也是为什么机构踊跃认购的原因,显然他们知道蔚来es8大卖。 对某些黑子来说,不仅数学不好,逻辑思维也不好,完全就是硬黑,于是踏空了,自然就恼羞成怒了。 下图发言,你们能找到多少槽点?[笑哭]
我就一手希尔伯克A
09-10
$蔚来(NIO)$
以当前总股本22.65亿股计算,此次增发将稀释约7.4%股权,跌个10%很正常,做空的可以开心一段时间了,加油空吧,5块补仓。
我就一手希尔伯克A
09-10
为啥呢?
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我就一手希尔伯克A
09-08
谁在做空都不知道,你这股票也不用炒了
我就一手希尔伯克A
09-02
$蔚来(NIO)$
笑死我了,暴跌暴涨,看到了各种乐子人表演,看多看少的我都支持,只要你晒单。
我就一手希尔伯克A
08-25
$蔚来(NIO)$
$理想汽车(LI)$
周日去了万象城看车,理想、蔚来两家店面对面,蔚来客流量是理想的3-5倍,隔壁乐道和理想差不多。蔚来你这样赤裸裸摆在理想门口diss增程,求生欲也是拉满了,但这点作战强度,友商应该可以承受?
我就一手希尔伯克A
08-21
$蔚来(NIO)$
买了六年蔚来股票,跑输大盘,但依然长期看好[害羞] ,希望下个六年能跑赢大盘。
我就一手希尔伯克A
08-05
$蔚来(NIO)$
已4.6买入一万股,现在蔚来市值甚至低于小鹏,明显是被过度低估了,蔚来的估值应该超过小鹏,起码和理想差不多。 唱空不做空,就是一场空。 建议唱空的同志也真正行动起来。
我就一手希尔伯克A
07-31
$蔚来(NIO)$
买爆了,这价格。
我就一手希尔伯克A
07-09
$蔚来(NIO)$
如果中国电车市场都是**和小米,那是多么悲哀的事情,蔚来罪不至死。
我就一手希尔伯克A
2024-04-18
好事,早就该裁员了,理想人均销售额1200万,蔚来不到400万。 蔚来员工现在31000,控制在20000人差不多。
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我就一手希尔伯克A
2024-04-08
$蔚来(NIO)$
想把es8都卖了换ec7,一问置换价亏了65%。 想了想,还是把买车计划放一放,换成蔚来股票放三年吧。 三年后股票再跌一半到,也可以买个二手ec7,股票涨一倍就直接et9,我简直是大聪明[贱笑] 。
我就一手希尔伯克A
2024-03-21
et5风格类似沃尔沃风格,我很喜欢
@雷斯司机:看过蔚来门店实车,也试驾了一下。就我个人而言,感觉总体不值他的价钱。主要是内饰用料,不管环不环保啥的,都就是不够豪华,比同价位BBA差一些。尤其是ET5,这个车如此局促,用料不豪华,怎么能卖30万?
$蔚来(NIO)$
$蔚来(NIO.SI)$
我就一手希尔伯克A
2024-01-20
这就是为什么我不买大G的原因。
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