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2021-11-21
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中科院转让联想股份,流失了13亿国资?
11月初,司马南发表了一篇文章,题为《中科院贱卖13亿国有资产白送泰山会?》。此文核心观点如下:2009年9月,中科院出让联想控股股份有限公司股权时,国有资产被贱卖,流失约13亿元人民币。因为“少数股东权益”所涉及的净资产并不属于中科院,中科院有权转让的,只是属于自己的那77.18亿元净资产。其他证据司马南为了证明中科院贱卖,还给了两个辅助证据。中科院在转让公告中,对交易对象的要求非常多、非常具体。
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2020-05-19
中国不缺钱[得意] [得意] [得意]
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2020-05-18
5G只当第一,市场足够大,足够密集,这点任老早看透了,国内也足够支持
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2020-05-10
出尔反尔[得意] [得意] 结婚都想好了
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2020-05-09
美国可以印钱,这生意太简单,划算了。[流泪] [流泪] [流泪]
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2020-05-06
眼红了?[害羞] [害羞] [害羞] 看到大A暴涨,羡慕大A市场
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2020-05-05
一只脚能站稳,看看再说吧[呆住] [呆住] [呆住]
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2020-05-05
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@上海滩股:
$特斯拉(TSLA)$马斯克“空军,我帮你们帮到这个份上,我已黔驴技穷…”
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2020-05-04
现在除了发钱,好像几乎啥也干不了[捂嘴] [捂嘴] [捂嘴] [捂嘴] 你品,你细细品,方向有了没?
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2020-05-04
原油未来何去何从? 要么不出事,要么出大事。原油出现负数,美国通过期货割了把韭菜,水平确实高。但是伤害了页岩油公司,同时坑了兄弟沙特一把。石油作为沙特拳头产品,被这么玩,肯定心不干?我的市场让页岩油占了一半,这次索性玉石俱焚。效果已经达到了。同时方向也明了,向欧洲,亚洲调低售价,显然知道美国已经短期消化不了,同事未来短期也没戏。先给你个面子,面子我给了,可我还得吃饭啊,在拿回原油市场,短期肯定低位徘徊,不然页岩油起死回生。只有置之死地而后生了。市场是残酷的的,下来就看亚洲的了[害羞] [害羞] [害羞]
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李廷祯司马南,独立学者,社会评论家,中国反伪科学代表人物;20世纪末因揭穿神功骗子而饮誉江湖。以上是百度百科对司马南的介绍。11月初,司马南发表了一篇文章,题为《中科院贱卖13亿国有资产白送泰山会?》。文章发出后,反响热烈,阅读量很快超过10万;目前,点赞人数已经接近3000。此文核心观点如下:2009年9月,中科院出让联想控股股份有限公司(下称联想控股)股权时,国有资产被贱卖,流失约13亿元人民币。司马南的文章揭开了这个发生在十多年前的、“鲜为人知”的“秘密”。此观点最主要的证据来自以下截图。此图截取自《联想控股有限公司2011年度29亿元公司债券信用评级报告》正文部分的第一页。此报告发布时间为2011年10月28日。发布单位是联合资信评估有限公司(下称联合资信)。图1:联想控股2011年债券信用评级报告中的财务数据图片来源:司马南频道《中科院贱卖13亿国有资产白送泰山会?》2009年春,中科院在北京产权交易所挂牌转让联想控股29%股份。2009年9月4日,中国泛海控股集团有限公司(下称泛海控股)以27.55亿元受让了这部分股份,成为联想控股的第三大股东。泛海控股的实际控制人为泰山会成员卢志强。根据以上截图,司马南算了一笔账。第一,2009年9月转让时,净资产肯定大于2008年底的净资产。第二,上图红框内显示2008年底,联想控股的净资产(在财务报表中为“所有者权益”)为139.73亿元。那么,就算按照2008年底的净资产,29%的股份也价值40.52亿元。(139.73 * 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